Boxed Silver PAB Maker?

[1historynut]

Near mint PAB in the box and wax paper. Maker mark is A.S. Is that Assman & Sohne? Thanks for your help.

[1historynut]

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[Tom Yanacek]

Maker mark is A.S. Is that Assman & Sohne?

Hello,

It looks like a very nice Panzer Badge and box. It is definitely not Assmann & Söhne though. The badge is almost certainly a product from the area of Gablonz in the Sudetenland. It could be from the firm Adolf Scholze of Grünwald an der Neiße, or from some other Gablonz-based firm having the initials A.S.

Best regards,
Tom

[Stepdale]

Nope, this one (as well as the AS in a triangle PAB) is considered by most to be Adolf Scholze or at the very least another Gablonz area maker. That is a very nice PAB you have there; enjoy it and let me know if you ever want to pass it on!
Dale

[1historynut]

Thank you for your replies gentlemen, I appreciate it very much.

[Tom Yanacek]

I suppose that Adolf Seidel of Gablonz an der Neiße is another possible maker for that badge.

Best regards,
Tom

[Stepdale]

I see Tom beat me to it!

[Tom Yanacek]

I see Tom beat me to it!

Hi Dale,

Only by one minute or less, though.

Best regards,
Tom

[overthetop]

Great badge .. my vote is Adolf Scholze, Grünwald aN.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi gents,

Great badge and carton, gorgeous set.

Adolf Scholze is the correct maker for these; a few years ago our good friend Skip contacted them and they confirmed they used the A.S. logo during the war.

They didn't confirm the "AS in Triangle" logo though, so I think that maker's identity is still unknown at this time..

Tom

[1historynut]

I'm glad everyone approves, and for anyone interested I'll be posting this in the For Sale forum a little later today.
Thanks for the education.

[Norm F]

Adolf Scholze is the correct maker for these; a few years ago our good friend Skip contacted them and they confirmed they used the A.S. logo during the war.

They didn't confirm the "AS in Triangle" logo though, so I think that maker's identity is still unknown at this time..

Tom

To be clear, Skip contacted a Herr Gottstein and his son in 2005. Gottstein the elder worked for the relocated Adolf Scholze firm in Neugablonz, Bavaria since 1965. So 20 years after the war, this gentleman could report that the initials A.S. was used by the Scholze firm but he had no knowledge of "AS in triangle". This is as far back as "word of mouth" goes. That thread was here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...514#post995514)

Meanwhile, we have good circumstantial evidence that Scholze in Gablonz (now in the Czech Republic) was connected with "AS in triangle" products, if not as a maker then at least as part of a cooperative venture which produced them. This is based upon the finding in Gablonz of incomplete "AS in triangle" products in a ground find along with incomplete Schwerin and W&L products, while at the same time finding Scholze's original accounting books listing both Schwerin and W&L as customers. (Discussed many times and the first thread with Pavel's findings is here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...58#post4163158 and again here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...36#post6906636)

So it's possible that Scholze produced A.S. badges (based upon word of mouth evidence) and that they produced or were involved in a consortium that produced "AS in triangle" badges (based upon some physical and accounting evidence). Certainly we know consortiums were big in Gablonz badge manufacture (associated with the A.G.M.u.K. logo and possibly also the "MK in triangle" and "RK" logos). And that's where we stand.

At the very least it's interesting that in both cases, the evidence (such as it is) was linked to Adolf Scholze and not any other firm with the initials "A.S."

Best regards,
---Norm

[Stepdale]

Norm is better at summarizing issues than anyone I know. This is a mystery that has continued for years now. I still believe that AS in a triangle is connected to Adolf Scholze in some form or another since no other firm with the initials AS or SA I could find in the 1939 Gablonz address book was large enough to have produced the number of AS in a triangle badges we see today.

Pavel in Gablonz is the one best positioned to solve this mystery, but in the end, it may never be solved completely since so many records disappeared after the war.
Dale

[CGarcia]

I am not so sure that this badge was produced prior to 1945.

[big ned]

I am not so sure that this badge was produced prior to 1945.

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