Two panzer badges for consideration

[Wartime Collectables]

I surrender! I'm lost on war badges. Your opinions on these two?

[Wartime Collectables]

And number two...

[rbminis]

Hello Andrew,
Even though I like the hardware on the second one you posted, the lack of detail on the obverse leads me to believe these are both copies.
Best wait for other opinions.
Ralph.

[BROBS]

Very bad pics but I think they're both good.

[Chet Sowersby]

Both are good examples. Just too much camera flash....

Chet

[Wartime Collectables]

THANKS! As Grandpa usta say, 'even a blind pig can find an acorn in the woods once in awhile'!