IAB Maker?

[nathanhogle]

Hi Guys,
I was hoping to get some help identifying the maker of this badge. I can’t seem to find it my reference book. It has a soldered solid hinge and a half-moon plate soldered hinge. The hinge looks to be poorly placed and maybe that is why it is on a half-moon plate or maybe that is the way it is supposed to be? It came in with a bunch of “S.H.u. Co.” badges. None of the components are magnetic. I would appreciate any help!
Thanks again,
Nathan

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Nathan,

Its a Deumer, not in the best condition obviously. It might be labeled as "Deformed Leaf" IAB in your reference book.

Tom

[Nordmark]

I would stay with "deformed leaf", a lot of collectors think it is a rather unsubstatiated theory linking this piece to Deumer imo...



Daniel

[Norm F]

The half-moon cut-off catch plate with that type of catch is common on the Deumer zinc Minesweeper.
The hinge and pin is used by Deumer on their Tombak Minesweeper. It's interesting to see both components combined in one setup.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Nordmark]

Hi Norm, interesting pics. But please don´t forget, it is you who has to prove it was made by Deumer, not the other way around. I think Andreas has posted some evidence clearly contradicting these rather unsubstantiated maker connections through the hardware.


Regards,


Daniel

[nathanhogle]

Which leaf is considered deformed?

[nathanhogle]

I think I see it now. The one just above the bottom of the rifle?

[Norm F]

Hi Norm, interesting pics. But please don´t forget, it is you who has to prove it was made by Deumer, not the other way around. I think Andreas has posted some evidence clearly contradicting these rather unsubstantiated maker connections through the hardware.

Hi Daniel,

I haven't been following the discussions on this type of IAB, nor was I proving anything. I just wandered by and made an observation regarding the hardware; others can do with it what they will.

You know me, I'm happy with the suffix "-attributed" for unmarked badges where attribution is based solely upon circumstantial evidence. The Deumer Minesweeper is a different situation in that the Tombak version is sometimes marked L/11, there's been one L/11 marked zinc example and a few other zinc examples showed up in Deumer marked envelopes, not to mention they match the stylized drawing in the Deumer catalog and the hardware matches other Deumer-made products. And in the KM world at least, that cut-off catch plate/catch combination doesn't occur on any other maker's product.

But I realize the IAB may not have such a wealth of evidence behind it? So "Deumer-attributed" might be a better term?

Best regards,
---Norm

[nathanhogle]

Anyway thanks again guys I appreciate your help!

[Thomas Durante]

a lot of collectors think it is a rather unsubstatiated theory linking this piece to Deumer imo...

I hope not, that would mean a lot of collectors aren't doing their homework.

Don't forget that this exact variant has been found in Deumer-marked packets as well.

Tom

[Thomas Durante]

Which leaf is considered deformed?

Here you go Nathan. It was this weird leaf that gave this IAB its "deformed leaf" nickname before we knew who made it.

Tom

[nathanhogle]

Thanks Thomas! I appreciate your help!

[Giel VW]

I agree with Tom and Norm. Nice original Deumer IAB. Not even with the "attributed" term for me

[Andreas Klein]

And in the KM world at least, that cut-off catch plate/catch combination doesn't occur on any other maker's product.

Norm, based on your pictures it seems that the catch is directly soldered on the badge without any catch plate as we see it on the IAB.

Btw this "Deumer setup combo" of catch and block hinge directly soldered on the batch can be found on Gustav Brehmer marked tombak wound badges too - so they used the same setup combo and maybe an unmarked ("but for sure Deumer") badge is a unmarked Gustav Brehmer .

[Norm F]

Norm, based on your pictures it seems that the catch is directly soldered on the badge without any catch plate as we see it on the IAB.

Perhaps a little easier to see here. (The second example is also stamped L/11.)