Niec Boxed Silver CCC

[Gary B]

I have shown this one before but just got done taking some better pictures. It is hard to get a good picture of the actual finish since it is so bright.

Gary B

[Gary B]

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[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Gary,

I do remember seeing that one before. Super nice F&BL CCC in Silver. Very "Minty" Gary. Nice little box too.

Best regards,
Tom

[OST]

Very cool example

[Thomas Durante]

Another great example Gary, both clasp and carton.

Tom

[fdodge]

Nice one

[Gary B]

Thanks to all for the comments and Ms.

Gary B

[AndyC]

One of the nicest CCC in silver that I have seen.

How do you do to take so good pictures?


Andy

[Ludwig]

Excellent clasp!

[Patrick W]

Interesting set and if the finish is ok then I think that ranks amongst the best I have ever clapped eyes on!

The box is certainly genuine as is the tissue but usually we see FLL clasps in these as this is a typical wartime FLL card box so I would guess the 2 have been added together at some point since the war.

The finish gives me some pause as it appears to very thick in areas and not what I would expect on an F&BL clasp- have you acetone checked it? What are the white spots on the back plate?

Gary, you have a wonderful collection of mint items so hopefully I am wrong on this one..

[Gary B]

Interesting set and if the finish is ok then I think that ranks amongst the best I have ever clapped eyes on!

The box is certainly genuine as is the tissue but usually we see FLL clasps in these as this is a typical wartime FLL card box so I would guess the 2 have been added together at some point since the war.

The finish gives me some pause as it appears to very thick in areas and not what I would expect on an F&BL clasp- have you acetone checked it? What are the white spots on the back plate?

Gary, you have a wonderful collection of mint items so hopefully I am wrong on this one..

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for taking the time to write your comments/thoughts.

I have no issues with the finish on the CCC and several people/dealers have handled the piece and have no issues with it either. I think any questions you might have are due to my lack of photography skills. It was difficult to really get a good picture of the badge since the finish played havoc on my camera.

I am aware that some believe only FLL manufactured pieces came in these boxes but I believe F&BL also used these boxes.

Allow me to elaborate with the following facts:

1) FLL used boxes with the stapled corners which had the name of the medal stenciled on the lid

2) Although rare, we know that FLL boxes exist for gold and bronze CCCs (I have never personally seen a boxed silver FLL, but I assume they exist), Pilots badges and ROAGs.

3) Both F&BL and FLL were located in Ludenscheid.

4) There exists a Bronze Bomber clasp box (see Stephen Previtera's book) with stapled corners and the name of the award stenciled on the lid in the same "font" as other boxes we are used to seeing from FLL.

5) As far as I am aware FLL is NOT one of the known manufacturers of the bomber clasp but F&BL IS.

So based on the above, I am speculating that both FLL and F&BL ordered boxes from a company and that this company was probably located in Ludenscheid.

IMO this would explain the F&BL CCC in this type of box we normally associate with FLL. As a side note this CC has been with this box for many year and thru 3 different collections.

Thoughts?

Gary B

[Patrick W]

Hi Gary

There may well be a cross over of supply in boxes to Ludenscheid makers, personally I don't recall seeing an F&BL CCC in one of these cartons before but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

They also exist for Luft badges as you correctly state and also for KM coastal artillery.

FLL did indeed make bomber clasps and lots of them as well as other Luft clasps- transport and recon...

My concern on the finish is mainly on the 'clogging' on the lower starburst areas and also around the hinge, from the photos it looks like paint to me. If you haven't tested it with acetone, I would certainly consider it on a small area. There appear to be areas showing through on pin and catch and on the eagle that look bronze below...hopefully I am totally wrong.

[mwl]

Very nice, Gary What is the up to date consensus of these boxes? Nahkampfspange and Nahkampfspangen, both ok?
Wonders,
Mats

[Gary B]

Not sure if there is a consensus on the "N' versus no "N". The ones I have do not have an "N". From my understanding "N" denotes a plural word, so I know some collectors do not like that. Here is my gold box.

Gary B

[mwl]

Thanks Gary
Regards,
Mats