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    I happened across this picture and it aroused my curiousity. It would seem somewhat exceptional for a general to have gotten a TDB, wouldn't it? There can't have been too many. Even with retroactive awards back to 22 June 1941, most generals would have already been too senior to have had many opportunities to blow up a tank.

    Ernst-Guenther Baade, commander of the 90th Panzergrenadier Division (OL #402, Swords #111):


    His bio: http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/heer-bios-baade.htm

    Dave

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    TDB

    Yes, but remember that the German Army and the German soldiers of WW2 were something absolutely exeptional!!!

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      #3
      The late Jules Buck, who served and worked with John Huston making documentaries and reporting with the US Army Signal Corps in WW2, knew General Baade before WW2 and, I think, afterwards too and said that he was as camp as a row of tents and as gay as a funfair.

      I know this is not relevant per se to awards as such. But Jules said that Baade was as brave as a lion. In the pictures Jules had of him in his appartment in Paris, the TDB couldn't be seen or I'd have noticed it but from Jules' description of the man, it is not surprising that he had it. Many German generals led from the front, even those with a taste for the rear.

      PK

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        #4
        Must have been difficult keeping touch after the war, since Baade was killed in an air attack on 8th May 1945!

        Frido von Senger und Etterlin reported that Baade wore a Scottish khaki kilt over his breeches and boots, with a gun slung around his neck during the Italian campaign, compulsively leaving his name in a bottle behind at every OP he used...

        certainly eccentric in a classic British way, if not in um, other areas.

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          #5
          There you go, then! As gay as a Gordon. As I said, Jules Buck certainly knew Baade before the war but I wasn't sure if he'd also known him afterwards and I never thought about Baade after Jules showed me the photos until I saw this thread and remembered the Johnny Walker-fuelled recollections about the gay general. Jules served with Huston's film unit in Italy. Some of you might know one of ther more famous ETO films, The Battle of San Pietro. They also made that haunting colour film about US airmen in the Aleutian Islands. Jules said that Baade was viewed as quite a mythical character by his opponents.

          PK
          Last edited by Prosper Keating; 08-27-2002, 09:04 PM.

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            #6
            Many German generals led from the front, even those with a taste for the rear.

            Thats a "prosperism" if ever I heard one..damn near had me choking on my beer!

            Accidentally offending people on the internet since 1997

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              #7
              Mythical "mythical" or mystical "myth-tical?"

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                #8
                Hi!

                Generalmajor Dr. franz Bäke had 3 TDB's!

                Regards
                Paal
                Samba66.com

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rick Lundström
                  Mythical "mythical" or mystical "myth-tical?"
                  Ah well! Now that depends upon whether one has a cleft palate or the oral mannerisms of a screaming fairy. I meant 'mythical' in the popular sense, as in a character of mythical reputation in the minds of lesser men such as we. Of course, General Baade was not actually a mythical character as he existed. And, it seems, continued to exist after 1945...which means that my late, lamented friend Jules Buck was not as gaga as it might have seemed when he recalled knowing Baade after WW2 too. Of course, Baade could have been mythtical too, but not when speaking his native tongue. It's in the eyebrows, you know. They go funny after a certain age.

                  PK

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                    #10
                    It seems that Baade died in 45. Here's the data of him taken from the website das-Ritterkreuz.de :

                    Generalleutnant Baade, Ernst-Günther
                    * 20.08.1897 Falkenhagen
                    + 08.05.1945 Bad Segeberg
                    Ritterkreuz am: 27.06.1942
                    als: Oberst
                    Funktion: Kommandeur SchtzRgt 115
                    402. Eichenlaub am: 22.02.1944 als Oberst
                    Führer 90.PzGrenDiv
                    111. Schwerter am: 16.11.1944 als Generalleutnant
                    Kommandeur 90.PzGrenDiv Adiatisches Küstenland


                    Ciao,

                    Claudio

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                      #11
                      I have also seen another general of the Grossdeutschland with a TDB-unsure of his name-and i don't know how to post pics here, so i can't share it with you all...

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                        #12
                        Hi
                        General der waffen ss Heinz HARMEL also was awarded this badge. I know another pic of a general (or Standartenführer from a SS gebirgs.Div).
                        jacques

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                          #13
                          I resume this old topic, because I posted some Baade certificates here and intrigued me his Tank Destruction Badge .....


                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=972715


                          I do not know the criteria for assigning this awards, in the sense how long after the action.


                          the assignment date of the Tank Destruction Badge of Baade is of November 8, 1943,

                          https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/...nther.htm?c=aw

                          while the 15th Panzergrenadier-Division was located south of Cassino ..... a Sherman? someone has some more info about this action?

                          many Thanks Oriano

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dave Danner View Post
                            I happened across this picture and it aroused my curiousity. It would seem somewhat exceptional for a general to have gotten a TDB, wouldn't it? There can't have been too many. Even with retroactive awards back to 22 June 1941, most generals would have already been too senior to have had many opportunities to blow up a tank.

                            Ernst-Guenther Baade, commander of the 90th Panzergrenadier Division (OL #402, Swords #111):


                            His bio: http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/heer-bios-baade.htm

                            Dave
                            Is it only me that can´t see any picture?


                            Andy

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by AndyC View Post
                              Is it only me that can´t see any picture?


                              Andy
                              they are probably disappeared because they were posted with an external server.

                              here is one
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