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    CCC in gold

    Hello everyone,
    Please help i don't know enough about CCC to go ahead with a purchase like this.
    IMO this piece looks way to mint but it still looks real maybe refinished?
    Thanks,
    Jordan
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    #2
    someone have repainted the whole badge...

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      #3
      Hello, Jordan

      Currently sells for you saved the picture. (FLL Maker.)

















      It wants something authentic seems quite difficult.

      The reason Close Combat Bar in Gold

      Total awarded for WW II: "634"





      Best regards
      S.W

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        #4
        add picture. ( some different maker )
























        Type 2, Recessed catch; in gilded tombac, 95.92mm(w) x 24.66mm(h),
        weighs 30.5 grams, of top quality manufacture (by C.E. Juncker),

        in mint condition;




        Best regards
        S.W

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          #5
          Originally posted by Jordan Wills View Post
          Hello everyone,
          Please help i don't know enough about CCC to go ahead with a purchase like this.
          IMO this piece looks way to mint but it still looks real maybe refinished?
          Thanks,
          Jordan


          For me too this badge is a fake.







          Best regards
          S.W

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            #6
            IMO it is an original, repainted, FLL clasp.

            My books:


            - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
            - THE SS TK RING
            - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
            - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
            - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

            and more!


            sigpic

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              #7
              Originally posted by HeinzGrimberg View Post
              For me too this badge is a fake.

              Best regards
              S.W


              You ask a lot of questions regarding your badges here on the forum (which is absolutely fine!), but I don´t know if this qualifies you to judge about close combat clasps.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Nordmark View Post
                You ask a lot of questions regarding your badges here on the forum (which is absolutely fine!), but I don´t know if this qualifies you to judge about close combat clasps.


                Hello, Mr. Nordmark

                I often try to sell sites.


                Type 2, Recessed catch; in gilded tombac, 95.92mm(w) x 24.66mm(h),
                weighs 30.5 grams, of top quality manufacture (by C.E. Juncker),
                price : $34,500.00


                but, We know that Average price : 1500 Euro

                634 people received this badge is bad compared to the price.
                (It is natural = $34,500.00)





                Best regards
                S.W

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                  #9
                  Looks like a nasty casting flaw on the handle of the grenade...for me the reverse looks original but the obverse looks fake. Plus obviously refinished of course.

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                    #10
                    (Nahkampfspange in Gold)

                    Some know producers are:

                    - Juncker of Berlin
                    - Rudolf Souval of Vienna (RS)
                    - Josef Feix & Sohn of Gablonz (JFS)
                    - Friedrich Linden of Lüdenscheid (FLL)
                    - Hymen & Co of Lüdenscheid (H&CL L/53)
                    - Gebrüder Wegerhoff of Lüdenscheid (GWL)
                    - Funcke & Brunninghaus of Lüdenscheid (F&BL)
                    - ArbeitGemeinschaft Metal und Kunstoff of Gablonz (AGMuK)



                    Number of awards in the database : 634

                    - A -


                    Ahnert, Heinz
                    Aigner, Ludwig
                    Albert, d', Benvenuto
                    Albohm, Wilhelm
                    Anders, Bruno
                    Andrä, Heinz
                    Aniol, Georg
                    Arndt, Erwin
                    Auer, Karl


                    - B -


                    Bach,
                    Bachler, Franz
                    Backhaus, Alfred
                    Baier, Willibald
                    Bauder, Karl
                    Bauer, Andreas
                    Bauer, Gerhard
                    Bauer, Kurt
                    Bauer, Matthias
                    Baunach, Gregor
                    Becker, Ernst
                    Becker, Rudolf
                    Beier, Hans
                    Beiss, Karl
                    Bendel, Fritz
                    Bense, Heinrich
                    Bergner, Otto
                    Berk, Ernst
                    Bermond, Georg
                    Bernartz,
                    Bernauer, Sebastian
                    Bernbacher, Peter
                    Bethmann, Kurt
                    Bialetzki, Alfons
                    Bierhoff, Franz
                    Billau, Friedrich
                    Bindseil, Alfred
                    Bleier, Michael
                    Boenke, Alfred
                    Boosfeld, Joachim
                    Bormann, Kurt
                    Boscheinen, Horst
                    Brandstetter, Joseph
                    Braun, Gustav
                    Brey, Sebastian
                    Brück, Heinz
                    Buchbach, Alfred
                    Bucher, Maximilian
                    Buchner, Hermann
                    Buck, Friedrich
                    Buck, Paul
                    Burger, Albin
                    Busch, Karl
                    Buschbeck, Kurt
                    Busse, Heinrich
                    Buttler, Paul
                    Bußler, Erich
                    Büch, Helmut
                    Bäuchl, Johann
                    Böckendorf, Peter
                    Böddeker, Karl


                    - C -


                    Carl, Erich
                    Chardon, Ferdinand
                    Christan, Josef
                    Christian, Arthur
                    Czarnetzki, Paul
                    Czerepan, Gustav


                    - D -


                    Dahlen, van, Heinrich
                    Dahlke, Gerhard
                    Damm, Wilhelm
                    Dedens, Helmut
                    Degrelle, Leon Marie Joseph Ignace
                    Detambel, Josef
                    Deutschmann, Siegfried
                    Diekjobst, Heinrich
                    Dietz, Friedrich
                    Dietzsch, Lothar
                    Dinse, Otto
                    Dittlof, Heinrich
                    Domröse, Bruno
                    Donnhauser, Anton
                    Dornoff, Alois
                    Drescher, Berthold
                    Drexler, Gottfried
                    Dutter, Franz
                    Düsel, Fritz


                    - E -


                    Eckert, Fritz
                    Eckert, Hans
                    Ehm, Ewald
                    Ehrmeier, Josef
                    Eichner, Josef
                    Eigenfeldt, Franz
                    Einhellinger, Georg
                    Eisele, Aloisius
                    Endres, Wilhelm-Werner
                    Englert, Josef
                    Erhardt, Hans-Rolf
                    Esch, Jakob
                    Exinger, August


                    - F -


                    Faulhaber, Josef
                    Fege, Kurt
                    Fehlhaber, Erwin
                    Felsner, Georg
                    Fengler, Franz
                    Fiebig, Gerhard
                    Fiesel, Mathias
                    Fink, Karl-Heinz "Karl-Heinrich"
                    Finke, Heinz
                    Fleer, Hermann
                    Franke, Kurt
                    Frankenfeld, Erwin
                    Fricke, Karl
                    Friedberg, Johann
                    Friedhoff, Siegfried
                    Friedrich, Erich
                    Friedrich, Max
                    Frisch, Helmut
                    Fröbel, Karl
                    Fubel, Karl
                    Fuchs, Anton
                    Fuchs, Ludwig
                    Fuhr, Werner


                    - G -


                    Gampe, Karl
                    Garbe, Herbert
                    Gefeller, Heinz
                    Geisen, Josef
                    Geisendorf, Fritz-Adolf
                    Geisler, Erdmann
                    Genz, Kurt
                    Gericke, Karl
                    Gerstmeier, Heinz
                    Gilbert, Wilhelm
                    Gimpel, Blasius
                    Glinski, Josef von
                    Gloddek, August
                    Gnan, Johann
                    Goerke, Kurt
                    Golbs, Herbert
                    Gottschalk, Herbert
                    Grabner, Franz
                    Gramm, Herbert
                    Griesche, Walter
                    Grimm, Franz
                    Grotz, Georg
                    Grunau, Ernst
                    Grunau, Karl
                    Grünewald, Herbert
                    Gundlach, Heinrich
                    Gust, Erich
                    Gutsch, Ewald
                    Gödel, Oswald
                    Göger, Rudolf
                    Göpfert, Christian
                    Gößmann, Franz


                    - H -


                    Hack, Franz
                    Hackl, Martin
                    Hahn, Walter
                    Hamberger, Karl
                    Hampel, Helmut
                    Hansen, Max
                    Hanzig, Georg
                    Harnack, Martin
                    Harthan, Lorenz
                    Haslböck, Wilhelm
                    Hass, Ferdinand
                    Hatting, Wilhelm
                    Heider, Wilhelm
                    Heimhilger, Anton
                    Heine, Fritz
                    Heinemann, Andreas
                    Hellinger, Helmut
                    Helming, Hans
                    Henrich, Christoph
                    Herberth, Willi
                    Hermann, Anton
                    Herrmann, Adolf
                    Herrmann, Kurt
                    Hertel, Rüdiger
                    Heubach, Robert
                    Heyen, Martin
                    Hilber, Emil
                    Hille, Alfred
                    Hinz, Bruno
                    Hinz, Gustav
                    Hirt, Otto
                    Hof, August
                    Hofbauer, Franz
                    Hoffmann, Georg
                    Hofmeier, Walter
                    Hofner, Alfons
                    Hofsteter, Josef
                    Hollerer, Franz
                    Holzer, Friedrich
                    Homolka, Franz
                    Homt, Otto
                    Horbach, Werner
                    Horn, Hans
                    Hoyer, Fritz
                    Huber, Johann
                    Huber, Josef
                    Huber, Kaspar
                    Huchthausen, Wilhelm
                    Hudemann, Jürgen
                    Huuk, Kurt
                    Hübner, Fritz
                    Hübner, Hans
                    Hüllhorst, Paul


                    - I -


                    Ingenbrand, Franz


                    - J -


                    Jacobeit, Fritz
                    Jacoby, Josef
                    Jaegeler, Werner
                    Jakel, Johann
                    Jansen, Heinrich
                    Jira, Karl
                    Joachim, Georg
                    Jochims, Hermann-Gustav
                    Josel, Franz
                    Juchem, Hans
                    Junkermann, Eberhard
                    Jurgs, Bruno
                    Juschkat, Franz
                    Jäkel, Hans
                    Jöres, Walter


                    - K -


                    Kachel, Georg
                    Kaiser, Andreas
                    Kaiser, Vinzenz
                    Kamin, Anton
                    Kamischke, Reinhold
                    Kammerer, Karl
                    Karowski, Hans
                    Karrenbauer, Johann
                    Kassing, Fritz
                    Katheder, Wolfgang
                    Kaussen, Ewald
                    Kayser, Walter
                    Keller, Gebhard
                    Kempas, Traugott
                    Kessel, Paul
                    Ketterer, Hans
                    Kettering, Rudolf
                    Keyser, Gustav
                    Kilian, Adam
                    Kilimann, Friedrich
                    Kindler, Werner
                    Kivelitz, Karl
                    Klaes, Mathias
                    Klein, Kurt
                    Kleinheider, Johannes
                    Klier, Andreas
                    Kloppenburg, Martin
                    Klumfass, Heinz
                    Klute, Wilhelm
                    Knebel, Ernst
                    Knittel, Gustav
                    Knobloch, Rudi
                    Konopacki, Günther
                    Konopka, Gerhard
                    Kornberg, Wilhelm
                    Kossak, Kurt
                    Kranz, Bernhard
                    Kratschmer, Franz
                    Kratzki, Konrad
                    Krauss, Karl
                    Krempl, Josef
                    Kretzschmar, Erhard
                    Krevet, Johann
                    Krey, Walter
                    Kroeg, Helmut
                    Krug, Siegfried
                    Krumnow, Herbert
                    Krüger, Otto
                    Kuba, Rudolf
                    Kujawa, Paul
                    Kuntze, Edmund
                    Kunz, Siegfried
                    Kutschkau, Ernst
                    Küffen, Heinz
                    Küther, Ernst
                    Kämpfe, Helmut
                    König, Karl
                    König, Lambert
                    König, Ludwig
                    Köpp, Willy
                    Körner, Nikolaus


                    - L -


                    Lachner, Adolf
                    Lainer, Josef "Sepp"
                    Lammers, Karl
                    Lang, Karl
                    Laubner, Gotthard
                    Lauchstädt, Edmund
                    Lauermann, Alfred
                    Lehmann, Waldemar
                    Leidenberger,
                    Lenberger, Otto
                    Lex, Alfred
                    Liebing, Helmut
                    Liebl, Andreas
                    Liebner, Walter
                    Liedtke, Friedrich
                    Limbach, Josef
                    Lindenberg, Friedrich
                    Linhart, Friedrich
                    Link, Friedrich
                    Linker, Alfred
                    Lischka, Adolf
                    Lith, Willi
                    Loeber, Johannes
                    Lohrum, Ludwig
                    Loos, Wilhelm
                    Loose, Wolfgang
                    Lorenz, Alfred
                    Lorenz, Erich
                    Luksch, Ludwig


                    - M -


                    Macher, Heinz
                    Mager, Rolf
                    Mailahn, Heinz
                    Makus, Erich
                    Maringgele, Hermann
                    Markert, Anton
                    Marquardt, Hugo
                    Matheisen, Kornel
                    Mattiza, Max
                    Mayer, Karl
                    Mees, Alfred
                    Meitzel, Helmut
                    Menz, Oskar
                    Mertel, Josef
                    Merten, Josef
                    Metz, Alois
                    Metz, Werner
                    Meyer, Werner
                    Michalsczyk, Konstantin
                    Michele, Rudolf
                    Milaeger, Kurt
                    Mindt, Fritz
                    Misera, Walter
                    Mogler, Rudolf
                    Moldenhauer, Siegfried
                    Moll, Karl
                    Muscheid, Helmut
                    Müllenbach, Gerd
                    Müller , Helmut
                    Müller, Arnold
                    Müller, Heinz
                    Möckel, Karl
                    Möller, Emil
                    Möller, Werner
                    Mönnich, Hubert
                    Möntmann, Werner


                    - N -


                    Nicolai, Otto
                    Noe, Alfred
                    Nöllgen, Heinz


                    - O -


                    Obergaulinger, Ludwig
                    Obermeier, Josef
                    Oefner, Fritz
                    Olf, Alfred
                    Opitz, Ewald
                    Ostermeier, Hans-Arno
                    Ostermeier, Johannes
                    Othmer, Hans-Arno
                    Ottmann, Werner
                    Otto, Karl


                    - P -


                    Paar, Karl
                    Paffrath, Benno
                    Pantke, Paul
                    Papp, Soltan
                    Paul, Hermann
                    Peichl, Adolf
                    Peter, Georg
                    Peters, Otto
                    Petersen, Karl
                    Petrick, Fritz
                    Pfeifer, Willi
                    Pfeiffer, Heinrich
                    Pfisterer, Georg
                    Pflug, von, Jürgen
                    Phönix, Harry
                    Pickl, Alois
                    Pietsch, Ernst
                    Plefka, Alfred
                    Plesken, August
                    Plücken, Johann
                    Pogorzelski, Friedrich
                    Pohl, Ernst
                    Pohlmann, Wilhelm
                    Pongratz, Josef
                    Porsch, Frithjof-Elmo
                    Poths, Emil
                    Prediger, Franz
                    Preuss, Georg
                    Prüfer, Willi
                    Pätsch, Erich
                    Pöhler, Gerhard
                    Pösch, Hermann
                    Pössinger, Michael


                    - Q -


                    Quednau, Albert


                    - R -


                    Radermacher, Karl
                    Radojewski, Johann
                    Raith, Alois
                    Rappl, Ludwig
                    Rastl, Alfred
                    Rauch, Helmuth
                    Rebhan, Johann
                    Recktor, Konstantin
                    Reichert, Kurt
                    Reinau, Ernst
                    Rennert, Johann
                    Rensch, Erwin
                    Rentschler, Emil Heinrich
                    Rentzsch, Werner
                    Retz, Martin
                    Reunert, Emil
                    Richter, Franz
                    Richter, Hans-Heinrich
                    Richtermeier, Artur
                    Ried, Franz
                    Riewe, Gustav
                    Rink, Hubert
                    Rittgen, Peter
                    Rock, Willi
                    Rogmann, Wilhelm
                    Rohmann, Wilhelm
                    Roltsch, Herbert
                    Rosenfelder, Albert
                    Roth, Adolf
                    Roth, August
                    Roth, Harry
                    Rudnick, Erich
                    Rudolph, Heinz
                    Rudzki, Karl
                    Ruhl, Karl
                    Ruppert, Josef
                    Rusch, Erich
                    Rusdorf, Hans-Georg
                    Rutezki, Ernst
                    Rutkowski, Alfred
                    Rychlik, Johann
                    Rüd, Josef
                    Rüffert, Hans
                    Rühle, Albert
                    Rätzel, Kurt
                    Röll, Wilhelm


                    - S -


                    Sablotny, Herbert
                    Sailer, Adalbert
                    Saller, Franz
                    Sassenberg, Willi
                    Sauer, Johann
                    Sauerland, Heinz
                    Sawatzki, Otto
                    Schacht, Emil
                    Schade, Engelbert
                    Schaedler, Karl
                    Schasche, Wilhelm "Willi"
                    Schaub, Adam
                    Scheffler, Joachim
                    Scheierer, Johann
                    Scheit, Adolf
                    Schember, Fritz
                    Schenk, Ernst
                    Scherer, Philipp
                    Scherhans, Erwin
                    Schick, Karl
                    Schiedl, Walter
                    Schiffczyk, Emil
                    Schindler, Martin
                    Schlags-Koch, Walter
                    Schlegel, Helmut
                    Schlitt, Alfred
                    Schloesser, Ernst
                    Schlotter, Hans
                    Schlüchter, Theodor
                    Schmaloske, Heinz
                    Schmelzer, Heinrich
                    Schmid, Franz
                    Schmid, Karl
                    Schmidinger, Karl
                    Schmidt, Armin
                    Schmidt, Fritz
                    Schmidt, Kurt
                    Schmidt, Traugott
                    Schmidt, Walter
                    Schmitt, Franz
                    Schmitt, Hugo
                    Schneck, Ernst
                    Schneider, Helmut
                    Schoch, Alfred
                    Schrade, Ernst
                    Schreiber, Gustav
                    Schreiber, Helmut
                    Schröder, Hans
                    Schuhardt, Karl
                    Schulz, Fritz
                    Schulz, Willi
                    Schulze, Erich
                    Schulze, Herbert
                    Schulze, Willi
                    Schulzer, Johann
                    Schwabe, Heinrich
                    Schwanbeck, Walter
                    Schwanczar, Adalbert
                    Schwarzkopf, Josef
                    Schweikowski, Franz
                    Schwekendick, Max
                    Schwertfeger, Karl
                    Schwetzke, Henry
                    Schwindhammer, Karl
                    Schütz, Karl
                    Schütze, Günther
                    Schäfer, Ernst
                    Schäfer, Ferdinand
                    Schäfer, Hans
                    Schäfer, Karl
                    Schäfer, Kurt
                    Schöntaube, Karl
                    Sdunek, Walter
                    Seber, Anton
                    Sebode, Erwin
                    Seebach, Walter
                    Seibert, Josef
                    Seitz, Andreas
                    Seitz, Josef
                    Sellmons, Otto
                    Senkel, Otto
                    Sieding, Gerhard
                    Siegrist, Karl
                    Sievers, Franz
                    Sinautzki, Georg
                    Singer, Herbert
                    Skowasch, Ewald
                    Sobieralski, Hans
                    Sonntag, Gerhard
                    Spinner, Philipp
                    Springwald, Rolf
                    Stadler, Sylvester "Vestel"
                    Staffen, Robert
                    Stahl, Albert
                    Stahl, Johann
                    Stanek, Horst
                    Stanke, Horst
                    Starha, Friedrich
                    Stark, Josef
                    Stegk, Artur
                    Stegmeier, Johann
                    Steindreischer, Ferdinand
                    Steiner, Georg
                    Steiner, Ludwig
                    Steinhoff, Horst
                    Steininger, Erich
                    Stelmaszyk, Viktor
                    Stichnoth, Erich
                    Stienen, Peter
                    Stix, Otto
                    Stockermann,
                    Straub, Johann
                    Strehlau, Otto
                    Streit, Nikolaus
                    Susky, Vinzenz


                    - T -


                    Ternedde, Rudolf
                    Teufel, Bruno
                    Thedsen, Hans
                    Theismann, Günter
                    Thelen, Franz
                    Thiel, Fritz
                    Thieme, Kurt
                    Tiedemann, Reinhard
                    Timm, Peter W.
                    Tittel, Rolf
                    Tolle, Hubert
                    Trippen,
                    Täubrich, Karl-Heinz


                    - U -


                    Ustarbowski, Theodor


                    - V -


                    Vehlow, Karl Peter
                    Verlei, Rudolf
                    Viebranz, Herbert
                    Viehmann, Karl
                    Vincon, Otto
                    Vogel, Ewald
                    Vogt, Herbert
                    Volker, Heinrich
                    Volpert, Hans
                    Vormdohre, Gustav


                    - W -


                    Wagner, Hans
                    Wagner, Josef
                    Wald, Peter
                    Wallesch, Ernst
                    Walter, Luitpold
                    Wandmaker, Helmut
                    Warczak, Wladislaus
                    Wardel, Valentin
                    Weber, Arno
                    Weber, Bernhard
                    Weber, Heinrich
                    Weber-Dahlmann, Alois
                    Weck, Juliu
                    Weckmann, Erwin
                    Weingartner, Martin
                    Weis, Hermann
                    Weiser, Hans
                    Wendelken, Harry
                    Wenzelburger, Georg
                    Werner, Fritz
                    Werner, Heinz
                    Wettstein, Willi
                    Wetzel, Peter
                    Wichlenda, Karl
                    Wiedenberg, Ernst
                    Wietasch, Kurt
                    Wilhelm, Georg
                    Wilke, Rudolf
                    Willno, Fritz
                    Wimmer, Friedrich
                    Winkelmann, Karl
                    Winkelmann, Walter
                    Winkler, Johann
                    Winter, Hans
                    Winters, Karl
                    Wisliceny, Günther Eberhardt
                    Wisotschnik, August
                    Wnuk-Lipinski, von, Johann
                    Wolber, Friedrich
                    Wolf, Werner
                    Wolfram, Gerhard
                    Wolk, Walter
                    Wolters, Gerhard
                    Wulf, Hermann
                    Wuschek, Willy
                    Wüst, Georg
                    Wächtler, Heinz


                    - Y -


                    nothing


                    - Z -


                    Zakel, Johann
                    Zander, Herbert
                    Zander, Wilhelm "Willi"
                    Zandler, Johann
                    Zentis, Josef
                    Ziegelmeier, Johann
                    Zielke, Heinrich






                    This Knights Cross with the Iron Cross means fewer and more distinguished.

                    If, Close Combat in the saving of gold,

                    when the people of one of the above that you will have. ( 634 : 1 )





                    Best regards
                    S.W

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Glenn66 View Post
                      Looks like a nasty casting flaw on the handle of the grenade...for me the reverse looks original but the obverse looks fake. Plus obviously refinished of course.
                      It is a sign you can find only rarely on FLL CCC.

                      My books:


                      - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
                      - THE SS TK RING
                      - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
                      - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
                      - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

                      and more!


                      sigpic

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Who Died under Vinniza (Ukraine) Awarded Gold Nahkampfspange???
                        (Total awarded for WW II: "634" )

                        Comment


                          #13
                          The Juncker (1st or 2nd pattern) presentation pieces sell in the 5 figure price range. All others seem to be in the couple to several thousand range depending upon condition.

                          The FLL that started this thread has been refinished. Most of the FLLs one sees today have very little finish remaining, although there were some found in the recent horde that exhibited significant amounts of finish left.

                          Gary B
                          Attached Files
                          ANA LM #1201868, OMSA LM #60, OVMS LM #8348

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                            #14
                            Your "gold"?
                            My saying "bronze"
                            But I can see the remains of a very yellow coating



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                              #15
                              The pin is a good indicator of the original color of the clasp since so much gilt gets absorbed by the zinc.

                              Here is a reverse of mine.

                              Gary B
                              Attached Files
                              ANA LM #1201868, OMSA LM #60, OVMS LM #8348

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