2 GABs for opinion

[andrei1774]

Hi guys,
may I have your opinions on this two GABs. Looks good and original Wiedmann and Juncker for me. What's unusual that's Juncker has maker mark L/12. IIMO , both needs vaseline bath.
Thanks in advance,
Andrei

[andrei1774]

detales

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maker mark

[andrei1774]

Juncker

[andrei1774]

det.2

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Good ones

1) 1.16.2. by Wiedmann
2) 1.24.3 by unknown maker #7

The second one isn't attributed to Juncker unfortunately. You said you see a Juncker mark somewhere?

[andrei1774]

Hi Chad,
yes, L/12 on the reverse right bottom.

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Wow, that's very interesting. First I've seen on this design, as all I've seen are unmarked.

[JJS]

Agree with Chad. Both badges look to be original. The first one is easy...a 1.16.2 by Wiedmann; not in such good condition (with some pitting etc. might have spent some time underground?).
The second badge is by unknown maker # 7, and it looks to be a 1.24.3 (pp 274-275 in Frank's textbook). But the L/12 Juncker LDO mark is unusual, and these badges have never been previously attributed to Juncker. Unknown maker # 7 made cupal GABs and IABs as well as zinc. Juncker never made cupal badges. The hinge and pin assemblies on the unknown maker # 7 GABs also don't resemble typical Juncker hardware. So my assessment is that the badge is an original 1.24.3 but with a spurious L/12 stamp on it.
--JJS

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Andrei,

I think JJS' analysis is spot on, couldn't have said it better myself.

I would only add that we have identified the Juncker GABs, and this type is not it. And as JJS says, the reverse hardware on this GAB does not remind us of Juncker products. One thought could be that Juncker acquired your GAB from a different maker and then marked it with their LDO code for retail sale. But that doesn't make sense because Juncker was already producing their own GABs, so again we end up with a spurious maker mark applied as the likely scenario here IMO.

Here is a postwar LW Para badge with a spurious L/12 mark on it. This Para was produced by S&L in the 1970s, but by all accounts they were unmarked and unscrupulous dealers added the mark to them to increase the value. I have an another one, but marked L/56.

Tom

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Agree with Chad. Both badges look to be original. The first one is easy...a 1.16.2 by Wiedmann; not in such good condition (with some pitting etc. might have spent some time underground?).
The second badge is by unknown maker # 7, and it looks to be a 1.24.3 (pp 274-275 in Frank's textbook). But the L/12 Juncker LDO mark is unusual, and these badges have never been previously attributed to Juncker. Unknown maker # 7 made cupal GABs and IABs as well as zinc. Juncker never made cupal badges. The hinge and pin assemblies on the unknown maker # 7 GABs also don't resemble typical Juncker hardware. So my assessment is that the badge is an original 1.24.3 but with a spurious L/12 stamp on it.
--JJS

Agreed, however Juncker did make a hollow CupAl GAB.

[JJS]

Chad -- you are right. As is Tom above. The Juncker GAB's are known, and they do include a hollow cupal version. But Juncker's badges are distinct from unknown maker # 7 in various ways, including the solid/massive cupal version that the unknown maker produced. I should have clarified that Juncker never made solid cupal badges.
Regards,
--JJS

[petopoint]

Gabba GABba Do.

Interesting analysis on the unknown maker GAB with spurious Juncker (L12) stamp.
Both GABs and especially marked Wiedmann is another Nice marked GAB for your ever growing War Badge collection.
Congrats Andrei!
Pete

[andrei1774]

Here is same badges after 24 hrs Vaseline bath. They are really nice.

[petopoint]

GABba GABba Doo.

Gabba GABs. Great job with the Vasoline Andrei.
The first one on the left looks especially Nice with Great detail and cross Graining on its Acorns. Like them a lot.