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    #136
    Hi Tim,

    Little question? Would it be possible to get a weight on the badges you posted?

    Many thanks in advance.

    KR
    Philippe

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      #137
      I see Philippe doubting again this type with the bigger catch plate, right?

      Look at this example from George Stimson, honest fading and wear. And you see the grinding streaks, do you?:
      Cheers, Frank

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        #138
        From tyanacek, with replaced catch but original catch plate (this is the variant catch plate). Check grinding lines:
        Cheers, Frank

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          #139
          Dear Frank,


          No, no, not at all, by now I accepted the the Flatback PAB that IMO could have been made by the same company that made the GAB's posted by Tim. Identical set-up and same strip pattern.

          I was only wondering if maybe on these GAB's they also were using more material then necessary.

          KR
          Philippe

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            #140
            These are a bit bigger than most other makers (especially wider) and a couple of grams heavier than most other makers. They are not unusually thick though.
            Cheers, Frank

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              #141
              Thanks Frank. Well it was worth the try, but I guess for now the flatback has to stay in a weight class of it's own.

              KR
              Philippe

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                #142
                Here are the 3 that I have - an unmarked hollow back, a curved S Souval and a pretty ugly unmarked half hollow type that is pretty crudely finished with the silvering exhibiting some bubbling. The half hollow type has provenance even though is is one of the poorest examples I have ever seen. My mother's cousin picked it up off the street when he was a kid in the closing days of the war in Austria along with lots of other items the soldiers had discarded. Since I have a modem connection and it takes forever to download pictures, I don't know if any examples of these have been posted before as it would take me 2 days to look at all the posts in this thread. I apologize if these have already shown up.
                Richard V


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                  #143
                  Philippe,

                  As I don't have any accurate gram scales, it will take me a day or two before I can get accurate weights on both of these GABs.

                  Whilst both of them are almost the same there are a couple of differences:
                  The first being the look on the eagles "face", with the mint one almost having a proud grin whilst the other one looks very stern.

                  The other difference is that on the mint one, between the arms of the swastika, there are fine lines at right angles to the arms. The other one doesn't have these - although this difference could simply be due to the die wearing with the mint one being the earlier produced of the two.

                  I'll see if I can get a pic of these lines...

                  Here's a pic of another GAB, a hollowback this time but one that I always had my doubts about:

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                    #144
                    Originally posted by Luft62
                    Philippe,



                    here's a pic of another GAB, a hollowback this time but one that I always had my doubts about:

                    Thanks Tim

                    And there for sure is now reason to doubt the last badge you posted. An uncommon but original variant of the GAB

                    take a look at post "56-57" in this thread.

                    KR
                    Philippe

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                      #145
                      Philippe,

                      The main reasons I had my doubts about it was because the fuller on the bayonet went right down to the crossguard as well as the top two acorns both point down - both differences I believe to be unique to the type.

                      I shouldn't really have had any doubts about it as it was part of a group I bought direct from the recipients family with none of the other items being anything but original and textbook (EK1, EK2, Silver Wound and GAB - along with their '57 variants - the vet having served with the border guard then Bundeswehr until retirement).

                      I'll try and get the first two I showed weighed tomorrow.

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                        #146
                        Surely no doubts about that hollow one, Tim.

                        There are indeed two minimally different designs of your other two GABs. Bruce Simcox posted one that is slightly different and we discussed those differences before. Still possible it is the same maker using two dies or having reworked his die at some point in time. To be correct, I will list those two as two different badges.
                        Cheers, Frank

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                          #147
                          Please excuse my photo skills. This badge looks much nicer in the flesh. Unfortunately the catch is broken, but that's the way it goes. It was my uncles, so there is no doubt about its authenticity. My brother has a picture of him wearing it when he was in north africa.




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                            #148
                            Hi Peter ,

                            That is indeed an unusual GAB, there is a gap between the wings and the legs.Interesting piece.

                            Here is mine, the unusual thing about mine is it has real long nails and feet.

                            The bayonet is really nice on this piece, the blade and the depression on it is very wide.
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                                #150
                                @Peter C: check out this thread, post #10:

                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=GAB+cut+wings

                                @Ian: I archived this type already, it is related to Brehmer´s design, yet different. Member BadBob has one just like yours.
                                Cheers, Frank

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