Ground dug couple No.2

[Doggie]

Didn't they start a ground dug section somewhere on here?? (someone coated these with something ) when items are ground dug for real, what kind of feedback would you need ? Certainly not for originality , unless its a set up.(doesn't appear like that's so) Items like this are self explanitory. Nice find, keep digging , someday you may find some sealed in a box in better shape.

When are the finds mine I ask anyway about the originality.. sometimes my friends bring me some awards and I ask to be 100% sure. Also I am always open to hear some opinion about maker and model.

I have also super mint awards and equipment in my collection. However I see these ground dug much more interesting then unissued pieces. These were in the war, not only periodically or post war made :-)


And about Jose77 or how it is written. Do not take everything so offensive. These cowards simply throw away their awards and equipment. I do not judge them, I only speak about their habits to explain to the other members, how it was after the war or during the war. And why I say cowards? True heroes kept their awards until death :-) just my point of view. Most of them were brave, but not enough!


Awards which were brought back to Germany are in much less number then awards left around hospitals, escaping routes and battlefields, that is the fact.

[fdodge]

The ccc is a small font type 1.2.1.

I can't honestly call any soldier a coward though. I would think at the point of surrender or impending defeat, just living through it and returning to your family would be the first thing on one's mind. Being captured by US or Allied forces was one thing. Being captured by the Russians was completely different, and a decorated soldier's treatment may have been a bit more punitive than that of a soldier with no awards. I think it's about self preservation, not cowardice.

Frank

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Doggie,

I agree with the others, both originals ofcourse.

Like Frank says, the AGMuK CCC is a 1.2.1, my favorite type of AGMuK variant due to the very detailed obverse design.

The IAB looks to be a JFS.

Tom

[Doggie]

The ccc is a small font type 1.2.1.

I can't honestly call any soldier a coward though. I would think at the point of surrender or impending defeat, just living through it and returning to your family would be the first thing on one's mind. Being captured by US or Allied forces was one thing. Being captured by the Russians was completely different, and a decorated soldier's treatment may have been a bit more punitive than that of a soldier with no awards. I think it's about self preservation, not cowardice.

Frank

Thank you for determinarion and about your opinion. It is very hard to speak about it. Of course life was more important for most of the soldier, but you have tons of soldier, who simply carried their awards through the war or hidden them on a safe place at least. Do were these heroes and soldier, who prefered their lifes (no matter their oath or honour) were simply cowards? These escaping soldiers threw weapons all around the villages and when some kids simply pick them next wave of escaping soldiers killed them. These rats were shooting innocent people mostly just like a punishment for their failure. I know no all of themv, but when you hear same story in almost every village, you definitely see this in a different way.

I am from an old austrian-hungarian soldier family line, so maybe my point of view is comppletely different. I simply see awards from various wars, which came from my family and there is none, who threw them away. We have simply those who survived and who laid down their lifes.

[mads]

Doggie....why don't you move to russia.

[Doggie]

Doggie....why don't you move to russia.

Why there? proud to be an European !

[mads]

Lot's more badges thrown away in russia