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**Don D.** · 08-29-2004, 06:14 PM

Dan, we already discussed this pab yesterday. Here is the link.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=64323
don

**Dan Plomish** · 08-29-2004, 06:16 PM

Sorry

Originally posted by ddoering

Dan, we already discussed this pab yesterday. Here is the link.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=64323
don

Sorry guys, the seller lives 2 minutes from my house so I got excited, Im going to ask him what else he has for sale, since he is so close he might have something good,

Thanks Guys.

**Ludwig** · 08-30-2004, 08:01 AM

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Souval junk!

**Philippe DB** · 08-30-2004, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Ludwig

Souval junk!

Hi Ludwig,

Since you seem to know these copies, would you be so kind to post some more of them.

Thanks in advance

KR
Philippe

**Ludwig** · 08-30-2004, 08:32 AM

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I don´t´collect them or pictures of them, but the hook for the pin is typical Souval post war.

**Don D.** · 08-30-2004, 11:31 AM

How can you tell????

Don

Originally posted by Ludwig

I don´t´collect them or pictures of them, but the hook for the pin is typical Souval post war.

**Frank Heukemes** · 08-30-2004, 12:59 PM

I think he might mean that oversized S-end of the pin under the hinge.

**Dan Plomish** · 08-31-2004, 06:17 PM

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So let me get this right, did Souval produce awards during the war, and if so did they continue afterwards for income?. or are they a company that bought the dies and made them after the war, sorry im a begginer collector and im learning everyday

Thanks

**John T** · 08-31-2004, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Dan Plomish

So let me get this right, did Souval produce awards during the war, and if so did they continue afterwards for income?. or are they a company that bought the dies and made them after the war, sorry im a begginer collector and im learning everyday

Thanks

They produced very nice pieces during the war--for some reason though they only made zinc pieces...I do not recall seeing any early RS pieces...and continued to make them after the war...some say that at some point new dies were used after the war..others say the same dies were used..yet others say the rear dies were lost somehow at the end of the war and that the repros were made with new rear dies and original front dies...whatever the case, I know somebody that went there not too long ago and saw the dies and said they were too corroded to use anymore..he said they did have some original material badges and medals and fancy orders remaining but they were not for sale...at any rate they did make pieces after the war...some had the infamous post war catch...but I think they fixed that. Be careful also of pieces where the post war catch was removed and a correct style added...also it is not too uncommon for real "R.S." period pieces to have the letters buffed out because in the old days collectors thought these were no good...but they were....I believe they are no longer in business....but other "producers" are.

John

**Chet Sowersby** · 08-31-2004, 06:32 PM

Dan,
Souval did make awards for the Reich during the war. After the war they kept turning out awards for the souvenir hungry GI's that were stationed in Europe. Being as they were a Austrian company they did not fall under the various post-war German laws. By just using the "search" link here on the forum there is a huge amount of information available to you. Try it!

Chet

**keifer kahn** · 08-31-2004, 06:42 PM

I dont see a real problem with the S section of the pin but the C catch is post war souval.

Souval were still operating into the 80,s.Im not sure if they are still a going concern.

**Dan Plomish** · 08-31-2004, 07:53 PM

thanks

Thanks guys, for clearing all that up for me, I never new any of this, man that really makes collecting hard then! Was there any other companies that continued manufactureing items after the war,

Now this makes things real confuseing becuase someones father could of been stationed over there in 44 and relieved in 48, and if he purchased a "souval" say in 48 would it be classified as a fake?

Thanks

**Don D.** · 08-31-2004, 08:24 PM

How can you tell? You cannot see if this is the one peice souval catch or not from this angle. It looks to me that it is a 2 piece with the wire catch soldered to a catch plate that was then soldered to the badge. I'm not saying the badge is good because it isn't but we have to identify the characteristics correctly.

JMHO.
Don

Originally posted by keifer kahn

I dont see a real problem with the S section of the pin but the C catch is post war souval.

Souval were still operating into the 80,s.Im not sure if they are still a going concern.

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