Legion Condor tank badge

[skalphunter]

A friend of mine got this legion Condor Tankbadge. Imo it is not period. But just to make sure i want to show you some pics. I appreciate your help.
Thanks skalp

[skalphunter]

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[Aurora68]

Hello Skalp

LCTB are very difficult to determine, but I also think your one is not a good one.

I never saw one with a "closed" nose in the skull...normally they are cut out.

Also there is a lack of detail on the wreath...the leaves are different and many more issues ( neddle etc)

Here an image of the one I formerly owned to compare with

KR

Martin

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Skalp......

......you are correct. This LCPA is not a original.

[Leroy]

It would be interesting to know if this came from S&L. It listed this badge in its last wartime catalog, but there was no illustration, so no one is sure what the S&L design looked like. If this badge (with obviously postwar hardware) came from S&L, it could (assuming S&L used the same die postwar) tell us what the wartime one looked like.

[Chet Sowersby]

Does not conform to known and accepted orginals.

Chet

[Leroy]

Does not conform to known and accepted orginals.

Chet

I remain intrigued by the possibility that this could be a piece produced (obviously from the hardware and finish) postwar by S&L. Here is a cropped version of a photo previously posted here showing part of the S&L exhibit in Leipzig in early 1941. Second row from the top, first piece on the left, is its version of the Condor Legion Tank Badge

[Chet Sowersby]

Leroy,
No slight on my part, but you do have an open mind on this example.

Chet

[Leroy]

Leroy,
No slight on my part, but you do have an open mind on this example.

Chet

No, Chet. I know it's not wartime at all, but its set-up and finish is so similar to some postwar S&L badges that I'm just wondering if it could have been stamped by S&L in the 1950's or 60's or 70's from its original die. We know from the catalog and the photo that it made this badge during the war, but no one seems to have any clue exactly what they looked like. Unfortunately, blow-up of the photo just results in distortion.

[Mike Kenny]

I actually like Leroy's logic in trying to ID another wartime maker. I do not read him as trying to say THIS example is wartime though - far from it.

Anyone know one of those TV computer gurus that can take 2 black pixels from a CCTV and produced a high-res full colour ID??? Maybe they can work on the S&L pic!!

Regards
Mike

[Leroy]

Thanks, Mike. I absolutely do not think this is a wartime badge. If there is a "photo guru" out there, maybe they can work on this one, too (what appears to be a wearing copy of an SKIG with Brilliants from the same Leipzig display):

[skalphunter]

Thanks for your help on that. Highly appreciated !!
skalp

[magnusmilitaria]

Hello Skalp

LCTB are very difficult to determine, but I also think your one is not a good one.

I never saw one with a "closed" nose in the skull...normally they are cut out.

Also there is a lack of detail on the wreath...the leaves are different and many more issues ( neddle etc)

Here an image of the one I formerly owned to compare with

KR

Martin

agree..

[jacques]

Unfortunatly the owner of the S&L showroom never wanted to make us a hq close up of this picture. It could have benn help us to determine the obverse form of the LCPz badge produced by this manufacturer.
jacques