ugly Hymmen IAB or just Hymmen fake?

[plaut]

Hello Guys!
I want to know your opinion about this one.

Thanks & best regards
Michal

[Nordmark]

Could you show us some close ups of hinge and needle please?

[plaut]

here you are Daniel,

[luggas]

I think the badge is OK, but the setup is replaced.

[Nordmark]

Hello Michal,


for me a Staegemeir reproduction and not original.


Regards,


Daniel

[Panzercracker]

I always laugh when I see the hardware on these. Definately a Hymmen (zinc based) IAB that probably had a wash finish that either absorbed completed into the badge or cleaned off many moons ago. --Rgds, Ken

[Hans Kondor]

It looks a Staegemeir to me too esspecially because of the set up.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Michal,

I too think it is very questionable. Looks like the crimps are there, but they are completely non-functional......a typical problem Staegemeir has with his fakes. Also the hardware itself looks weird, like Hans says.

Tom

[Panzercracker]

Sorry, I now agree with Dan, Tom and Hans. It's a Stagamaier. If the "butt cracks" weren't so open, you'd be really hard pressed to tell the diff. --Rgds, Ken

[plaut]

Thanks Guys - I had only little hope but as always better know

[Graeme]

Hi Michal

I agree a bad one. The texture just does not seem right, with what looks like pitting on the obverse in the eagle wing areas. Details in some areas are not sharp enough and the crimp areas are not what you would expect..along with the set up as already mentioned.

Unmarked solid Hymmen IABs, imo, are very hard to find, so it is interesting to see one has been copied, or maybe the maker mark just never made it.

Here is how the crimping should look


best regards
Graeme

[luggas]

I also have to say Thanks. Its the first time i see this fake.