ISA Ost front in presentation case

[HenrikKH]

Hi Guys

Before I put this set on the E-stand I really would like to know if the case is period..

And does it have any value?

Regards Henrik

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[Graeme]

Hi Henrik

Firstly, I would post the case pics in the cases forum, as those guys might have seen similar ones.
It looks a great set, but if period, these are certainly not common. It may have been put together at the time, it certainly looks possible. My opinion is that the document would have been incorporated somehow, possibly folded and kept in the set, but it appears not to have been.

Would it be possible to show a large clear pic of the photo?

The IAB looks to be a JB&Co, can you see if it is marked on the reverse of the rifle butt?

regards
Graeme

[HenrikKH]

Thanks Graeme :-)

Here better pics. And pics. of the rewerse.

I sure hope it's original...

Henrik

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[Graeme]

Hi Henrik

The badge certainly looks original..

thanks for posting the pics

regards
Graeme

[blutundehre]

A couple things I notice with the badge is the lack of pebbling in the leafs, I am under the impression that JB&Co had pebbled leaves, but also larger, more robust acorns. The leaves themselves look as well almost like ShuCo leaves instead of the slimmer leaves of JB&Co.Do these observations make any sense or are there other variants I have not seen? From a quick glance all looks good, but when compared to some other originals there are some differences.
Dave

[Graeme]

Hi Dave

I agree that this is a different die fro the usual "JB&Co" more commonly encountered badges. You have highlighted some obvious differences, including some leaf stem differences and lack of detail to talons etc.

IMO, this is definitely a "JB&Co" design, with the head and curvature of the rifle butt being very distinctive.

I thought these "unpebbled" variants showed up from time to time, but I had trouble locating one for you

This link shows one

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=jb%26co

Maybe other members have better pics of further examples?

regards
Graeme

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Dave,

Nice little set and I agree with Graeme that the IAB is original.

We know of Marked JB&Co IABs, which has pebbled leaves. We also know of Unmarked examples, also with pebbled leaves, so those are probably also made by JB&Co since the obverse designs match, but they were just left unmarked.

Your example is different then these marked and unmarked JB&Co's, which points to a different maker, but probably still located in Gablonz IMO. Still unknown at this point as far as I know.

Here is another example of these "JB&Co-LIKE" badges, from Destruction's excellent collection.

Tom

[Graeme]

Your example is different then these marked and unmarked JB&Co's, which points to a different maker, but probably still located in Gablonz IMO. Still unknown at this point as far as I know.

Tom

Hi Tom

I agree that until we find a maker marked example of this particular die, then we can't be 100% that JB&Co made it. But in this case, imo, there is a good chance, that they did, due to the style of manufacturing, and the fact that there are only two similar designs. I am certainly happy to call it a "JB&Co design" until we know for sure.

These badges have a relationship that resembles the so called RK IAB design. Pebbled and Unpebbled designs, with no maker marks. Those however have more variations, and many members label them all RK, without solid evidence.

The Pebbled/Unpebbled variants of both designs are a strange phenomenon imo, maybe die makers producing two examples to show to customers, and in some cases both were purchased.. All supposition I might add.

For sure Pebbled badges are amongst the best looking imo.

regards
Graeme