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[Norm F]

The setup of the wound badge is NOT Pforzheim compatible .... this is the standard setup as it was used by all makers and has no connection to any specific maker or a special location.

Hi Andreas,

It's a finer point of English but bears clarification. "Compatible" simply means "consistent with", i.e. the setup is consistent with Pforzheim as that hardware was used there as well. As I said, it's non-specific because other makers elsewhere also used such hardware. So the reverse setup doesn't confirm Pforzheim, nor does it rule it out.

But you also cannot say "it was used by all makers", just that it was used by others.

BTW, can you show other makers with this exact setup? It might be interesting to see the geographical areas represented.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Hi Andreas,

BTW, can you show other makers with this exact setup? It might be interesting to see the geographical areas represented.

Best regards,
---Norm

Deschler in Munich (marked L/10 on the pin) seems to have been one for starters (posted by don in 2006)

[Norm F]

Hi Andreas,
BTW, can you show other makers with this exact setup? It might be interesting to see the geographical areas represented.

Foerster & Barth (L/21 marked) in Pforzheim is another.

[Thomas Durante]

Deschler in Munich seems to have been one for starters

Hi Norm,

That is a logical connection, since we know that Deschler was involved with the "Vienna Design" IAB & PAB makers. The Deschler CCC design is the same one used by Rudolf Souval and Hobacher, so they are considered a "Vienna Design" user with regards to CCCs.

Also, Deschler is the "flatback" maker of CCCs! Deschler CCCs are completely flat (only CCC maker to not have a curved clasp), and Deschler CCCs also have rough reverses (like the other "flatback" badges). Furthermore, a single "flatback" PAB has been found marked with an "L/10" Deschler mark.

With all that said, Deschler is NOT the "flatback" maker, but there is a strong connection to whoever the flatback maker was. So it is logical that the same reverse hardware we see on the pforzheim maker WBs, we also see on the Deschler WBs.

Tom

p.s., Norm, I had the same question you did of Andreas. Andreas, can you list the makers that used this EXACT combination of reverse hardware setup on their WBs? It would be interesting to see if they are all in Pforzheim or surrounding areas.

Tom

[Norm F]

BTW, can you show other makers with this exact setup? It might be interesting to see the geographical areas represented.

Best regards,
---Norm

Friedrich Orth, Vienna marked L/14.

[Norm F]

... can you list the makers that used this EXACT combination of reverse hardware setup on their WBs?

C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim (L/52 marked)

[Norm F]

Hm. Even seen (albeit rarely) on Beco, Berlin, marked L/57.

[Norm F]

...can you list the makers that used this EXACT combination of reverse hardware setup on their WBs? It would be interesting to see if they are all in Pforzheim or surrounding areas.

And another Pforzheim maker, marked E.S.P. (Eugen Schmidthäussler, Pforzheim).
(So far that's Munich 1, Berlin 1, Vienna 1 and Pforzheim 3)

[Norm F]

...and another Vienna, 30-marked Hauptmünzamt Vienna.

[Norm F]

...and Wilhelm Hobacher, Vienna (right), marked 32, which matches the Orth Vienna design.

[Norm F]

K&Q, Idar-Oberstein.

[Norm F]

W&L, Mittweida, marked 100. (We know they outsourced their crimped silver wound badge production so hard to know if they made their own black wound badge.)

[Norm F]

Carl Wild, Hamburg.

[Norm F]

August Menzs, Vienna.

[Norm F]

Eduard Hahn, marked EH and 136, Idar-Oberstein