Is the APB on E Stand correct,never seen one like this before?
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You need faith to invest in that badge, I for one don't. IMO, post war.
No period photos of this badge, no ground finds, etc; Also, one posted by Thomas Bendixen on the GCA has different hardware, how many of these late war variant badges are we going to accept????
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Hi guys,
I think, if Don Doering Moderator ( APB expert ) buy it, then he can that this is an original piece.
Best regards,
GaborComment
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Sorry, but because Don is buying it, says nothing to the originality of this badge.Originally posted by Gabenn View Post
This badge has the owned by "Frank Heukemes" mystique, and has been bounced around.
It's easy to say something is good because a known collector/dealer sold it, or bought it, its another to produce a shred of evidence to support this badge.Comment
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Well, let hope that Don joins in and share his view with us.Comment
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Hi PAB Collector,
Hmmm. You cut out the "APB expert" words from my letter. Not too good.
Yes, if Don wants to tell his decide, then he will to write here.
Best regards,
Gabor
Originally posted by PAB_Collector View PostComment
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If Heukemes had this badge, then 99% there is something wrong with it. I had my experience with him,...Comment
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Sir I did not cut anything out of your post, I quoted you before you edited that in.Originally posted by Gabenn View PostComment
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Hi,
So, we will to wait Don answers.
Best regards,
Gabor
Originally posted by PAB_Collector View PostComment
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Hi guys,
If I well see it, then this is not the fake gallery in this book............
Best regards,
GaborComment
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Just wanted to add a little more detail on my stance regarding this badge.
My points of contention are;
1. Why would a firm produce a die so drastically different from the approved existing pattern that was already produced and awarded, and which was even photographed by Hoffmann for press purposes?
There is simply no reason for this what so ever, other than if we accept that all other Bandenkampfabzeichen were produced by Juncker, and that after the destruction of the Juncker workshop some other firm filled the demand void for this award. Given the very late point in the war, and low bestowal number, this is very unlikely.
2. Given the low bestowal number, and late institution of the award, how many variants can one reasonably believe exist?
3. Thomas Bendixen posted another example on the GCA, which has the catch applied backwards compared to the example in question.
So, now we need to not only believe that a new design to an established and issued late war badge was drawn up, approved, a new die created, and badges manufactured, but that the hardware was not applied uniformly.......
4. The die and material used to create this "type" would have been of poor quality as can be seen from the reverse. With accepted "type's", a consistent level of (late war) quality and workmanship is maintained.
5. Absolutely no period documentation, photographs, sketches, provenance exist to support this badge, nothing.
The only thing that can be said is; David Littlejohn supposedly acquired one in 1950, Frank Heukemes bought and sold one, and Patzwall put a picture of one in his book. Again, no shred of any kind of provenance other than a known collector acquired/sold it.
For continuity of discussion I have attached file photos of this badge.Comment
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Go back into the deep threads and do a search for Bill Stump.pseudo-expertComment
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Don, you know this badge is zink, right??
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As it should be.pseudo-expertComment
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