Announcement

**Joseph D'Errico** · 05-02-2004, 02:00 PM

Well................. my best guess with what information that has been provided as well as my own research. I would say that they were eithier private purchase pieces for parade dress or just not original pre-1945 pieces.

I do not feel they were officially awarded, back to the private purchase theory. But, lack of hard facts cannot confirm that as absolute at this point anyway.

In looking at the hard facts of all awards in a general sense, the logic of using aluminum as a composite for an award introduced as late as Nov. 1942, simpily does not make logical sense.

I also must share that in my follow up; not one of the advanced collectors as well as dealers that I have contacted has ever seen one in the flesh, so to speak. Just another point.

They may be original, my thoughts are clear as they can be to this point.

Look forward to continiuing discussion on this .

Best,
JD

**Mark S.** · 05-02-2004, 02:45 PM

I have to say, that clasp purportedly from Tucker doesnt come close to comparing to the others shown in this thread. The coarse reverse with the obvious pitting, the off kilter center knock out, no crimping, along with what has mentioned to be a '57 era pin all adds up to a non TR era badge.

The others in this thread seem to be of the quality one would expect from a complete manufacturing process. The deep crimping had to be done while the metal was still malable, before it the aluminum was work hardened, and probably still in the obverse die. This is not your typical tool shed fake, this is the type of machinery that costs people their fingers if they arent paying attention.

I can appreciate Joe's thoughts regarding mid war use of aluminum, but lets not get stuck in a rut on that thought process. After all, no one knows 100% for sure what metals were and were not available, or able to be procured through special order.

I would enjoy some discussion comparing die details, what about the "Phallic L" in the trademark? Is anyone here able to provide a maker mark extreme close up of a known original claps (any type) to use as a benchmark with which we might compare these aluminum ones to?

**Joseph D'Errico** · 05-02-2004, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Mark Schroeder

I have to say, that clasp purportedly from Tucker doesnt come close to comparing to the others shown in this thread. The coarse reverse with the obvious pitting, the off kilter center knock out, no crimping, along with what has mentioned to be a '57 era pin all adds up to a non TR era badge.

The others in this thread seem to be of the quality one would expect from a complete manufacturing process. The deep crimping had to be done while the metal was still malable, before it the aluminum was work hardened, and probably still in the obverse die. This is not your typical tool shed fake, this is the type of machinery that costs people their fingers if they arent paying attention.

I can appreciate Joe's thoughts regarding mid war use of aluminum, but lets not get stuck in a rut on that thought process. After all, no one knows 100% for sure what metals were and were not available, or able to be procured through special order.

I would enjoy some discussion comparing die details, what about the "Phallic L" in the trademark? Is anyone here able to provide a maker mark extreme close up of a known original claps (any type) to use as a benchmark with which we might compare these aluminum ones to?

Hi Mark,

Good points, but the medal comsposite issue I think is a big one, BUT, agree that we most look beyond that in a complete sense. Good point on the "L" in the makers mark as well.

But , show me another award produced in aluminum late 1942 and thereafter. Their was a reason for this and it was not what was available or medal of choice.

The premise would be first at this point in the war avialble stock combined with a medium that would also prove to be durable enough. Granted zinc or even feinzinc is not as durable as tomback, but sure is more durable than aluminum. Also , aluminum was not in that kind of supply to produce badges that late in the war, it was needed in other areas looked at on a priority scale. albert speers speaks of priority use of materials in his book "Inside the Third Reich" written while he was in Spandue.

BTW, who wrote the article on the CCC for this site ? It is stated their that CCC were also made of aluminum, maybe some additional info., from the author of that article.
Just more thoughts,

JD

**Angel Farré** · 05-02-2004, 04:54 PM

This is the maker mark in mine, if bigger needed drop me a line, if other parts wanted do the same, I am more than interested in obtain more info regarding this type of clasp.

Angel

Attached Files

GWL 04.jpg (41.3 KB, 104 views)

Announcement

Aluminum CCC

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Users Viewing this Thread