IAB in cardboard box.

[kokstok]

last one

[Patrick W]

Peter,

These IABs are by no means common and the marked ones are much harder to find than the unmarked ones. They are characterised by...
a) The eagles head (very similar to a SchuCo)
b) The pebbling on the oakleaves (As far as I'm aware the only type to use this).
c) The characteristic ball hinge with set in round wire catch. On zinc badges the catch is more commonly mounted on a plate.

I don't think that a comparison between IAB and PAB is helpful in this respect as it leads to confusion. As far as I'm aware some original flat back PABs do exist. However that is besides the point as the IAB in question is not flat back in the sense that you mean it. The badge is in fact lightly vaulted and not SEMI HOLLOW as Romans badge is. Both types exist as originals.
I have a badge identical to this purchased from Skip on the Estand and will see if I can find the pics. Unfortunately mine is in much poorer condition

Regards,

Patrick

[Peter J.]

Hi Patrick.

Thanks for your response. I´m about to hit the sack, but I´ll
be back tomorrow.

Regards
Peter

[nellyp51]

Awsome

[Lorenzo Brown]

Roman's badge looks like an unmarked "JB&Co"....although the reverse has a deeper hollow than others I have seen. Actually, Roman's looks like a very minty example than has succumbed to the effects of corrosion.

Kokstok's example also looks good to me from the scans. I would like to see better close-up details of Kokstok's badge, but from what I can see from here, it looks like a good example.

[Roman]

KR
Roman

[Lorenzo Brown]

Oooops...Sorry. I meant "Roman's badge". (edit that).

[Peter J.]

I feel like I´m repeating myself, but this is important to me.

In order to draw my own conclusions, I depend on mutiple

sources of info. My search on the forum resulted in Mike´s

JB&Co-marked and Roman´s unmarked, both all but flat.

One could think this is a bit thin to render a general acceptence.

But I can buy this, taking into account the quality of the

badges and Tim´s article from 1992.

When I saw Kokstok´s badge, I mailed him and asked specificly
if it was "dead flat or lightly concave". The respons was flat.
I then informed him that I would bring it to this forum for
discussion and asked him about the ball-hinge. Additional
images were posted here(thanks Kokstok, I appreciate that).

I have to disagree on the confusion-issue. Cross-reference
between different badges has always been used to form
consensus. I know flat-reversed panzers do exist, but I was
very specific when I compared it to a Hermann Aurich flat-
reversed, ball-hinged panzer.

Patrich, just to make shure I read you correctly; the two types
you´re referring to are 1. lightly vaulted and 2. semi-hollow.
That still leaves Kokstok´s flat badge without previous illustra-
tions, provided Kokstok is correct in his statement.

Regards
Peter

[Patrick W]

Hi Peter,

You do read me correctly. I have not seen an IAB like this that is as flat as a billiard table on the reverse. However from looking at Kokstok's pictures, the first one in particular, the badge is IMO lightly vaulted. Not so much side to side but noticeably from top to bottom. Look at the angle of the eagle and I hope that you will see what I mean.
We will need the owner to get back to us in order to confirm whether this is the case or not. I stand by my original opinion that this badge is absolutely good.

Best regards,
Patrick

[kokstok]

I feel like I´m repeating myself, but this is important to me.

In order to draw my own conclusions, I depend on mutiple

sources of info. My search on the forum resulted in Mike´s

JB&Co-marked and Roman´s unmarked, both all but flat.

One could think this is a bit thin to render a general acceptence.

But I can buy this, taking into account the quality of the

badges and Tim´s article from 1992.

When I saw Kokstok´s badge, I mailed him and asked specificly
if it was "dead flat or lightly concave". The respons was flat.
I then informed him that I would bring it to this forum for
discussion and asked him about the ball-hinge. Additional
images were posted here(thanks Kokstok, I appreciate that).

I have to disagree on the confusion-issue. Cross-reference
between different badges has always been used to form
consensus. I know flat-reversed panzers do exist, but I was
very specific when I compared it to a Hermann Aurich flat-
reversed, ball-hinged panzer.

Patrich, just to make shure I read you correctly; the two types
you´re referring to are 1. lightly vaulted and 2. semi-hollow.
That still leaves Kokstok´s flat badge without previous illustra-
tions, provided Kokstok is correct in his statement.

Regards
Peter

I ment flat as in not hollow or semi hollow (sorry for my poor explanation in english) the badge in fact is a little curved i hope the pics show it and please stop compare it with a PAB

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[kokstok]

sorry dubbel post pic 5