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    CCC F&BL in silver

    Hi guys,

    Just found this nice looking CCC.
    Looked in the CCC book and in my opinion is all original as silver finish nicely intact.
    Can I have any comments of more experienced collectors on this?
    Whenever many of you probably seen this on 321 auction and seller asking 470E.
    Is this price is allright for this marker?
    Thank you very much

    Peter
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      #3
      Looks like a nice original to me. I'm pretty sure the finish is original too

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        #4
        Original F&BL clasp in my opinion.

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          #5
          Very nice original F&BL with an amazing finish...

          Regards,
          Chris G.

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            #6
            Hi guys,

            Hmmm, I must be missing something because I am not a fan of this badge at all!

            Firstly, look at the pin, it is NOT the typical F&BL pin we are used to seeing. Moving on from that, I don't like the look of the surface texture of the reverse. Original F&BL clasps are very smooth, whereas this one looks textured.

            And the finish is definately not what I would expect from original F&BL clasps. F&BL badges in general have a powdered, brennlack type of finish, whereas this seems more like a thick silver plating.

            So my thoughts are that it is either an original clasp, that has been repaired with a new pin and refinished....or its just a well made fake. Its definately not a Staegemeir fake, but the quality comes close so I am not sure if its fake or not. But I definately wouldn't touch it because it is certainly messed with IMO.

            For comparison, here is a typical F&BL pin.

            Tom
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            If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

            New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
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            Available Now - tmdurante@gmail.com

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              #7
              Hmm, very good points Tom, ones I clearly missed. I definately see what you are saying with the pin, but I am inclined to say the base badge is still original, an option that you mentioned

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                #8
                I vote for fake also.
                Just look at the place where the hinge/pin is attached.
                It seems to lack the square place for the hinge. Or it is there, but not as well defined as on an original CCC of this maker.

                Also, I find the edges to "rough", they are not as nice defined as on the original.

                /Flemming

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                  #9
                  If I remember right, this badge was previously discussed with the same conclusions. I would stay away.


                  Regards,


                  Daniel

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                    #10
                    I still believe that this clasp is original though. Look at the arrow in the picture I included. There is a little die flaw, I thought that was a characteristic of original F&BL clasps? It can be seen on Tom's clasp as well and my two clasps feature it too. The pin indeed looks wrong. And I can't comment on the finish because I don't know.....

                    Jorne
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                      #11
                      Hi guys,

                      Jorne, you are right, that little flaw is a good thing to look for on original clasps. All original F&BL clasps will have this flaw. However, well made cast fakes, like those made by Staegemeir will pick up this flaw in the casting. So you have to look at the ENTIRE clasp to judge if its original or not. Here are pics of a Staegemeir fake, showing the flaw.

                      Even though it has the flaw, there are several red flags on these fakes that show they are fakes (weird finish, weird pins, muted details, etc.).

                      Tom
                      Attached Files
                      If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

                      New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
                      [/SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
                      Available Now - tmdurante@gmail.com

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                        #12
                        Thx for all yours reports and specially thanks to Tom.
                        I completelly missed this pin it really doesn't look like proper banjo style pin on this F&BL CCC's.
                        On silver brennlack , now I can see difference in Tom's book but if it's whole think copy I really don't know.Maybe like other say hardware is probably ok...

                        thx Guys!!!
                        very well appreciated all of you!!!!

                        Peter
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                        Still looking for nice silver CCC.....

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