Help ID'ing this IAB maker

[Colorado]

I have an IAB with a small 3 stamped below the hinge. Who made that and why a "3"? Thanks in advance.

[Colorado]

backside

[Philippe DB]

Hi Jeff,
The design doesn't really match the accepted Deumer design with the L/11 mark shown in this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=Deumer+IAB

So my best guess would be some kind of die number. The pictures of the eagle aren't sharp enough to try to link it to another known maker.

KR
Philippe

[Colorado]

Philippe, thanks. Here is an eagle close-up. Note the 2 marks above the "3" as well.

[Master3477]

Hi

sorry but I`m pretty sure that the shown IAB is a fake which gets sold by one guy on milweb. He has IABs with maker 2 (Juncker) too which are identical just have the 2 instead of the 3 on them.
Here an original 3 (not the best front but original). The 3 is behind the needle.






Regards
Sven

[Philippe DB]

Hi Jeff,


Can't make much of these marks are that numbers or letters? What do you make of them?

@Sven: the badge you posted is an absolutely original late war Assmann. The numbers don't refer to the maker but to the die just like it's probably the case with Jeff's badge

KR
Philippe

[Colorado]

Not to disagree with you Sven, but the one you have is an inject mold type, mine is die struck and highly vaulted. I think this is a different 3 as Philippe mentioned.

[Colorado]

The look like a backwords "2" and are at right angles to each other. Could be called a "lazy h" too.

[Philippe DB]

Hi Jeff,


Verry odd. Maybe somebody was playing arround with new marking stamps. Anyway I think we should always be carefull with such stamped in marks on IAB's.

Lets wait untill our friend Mr. "IAB Roman" drops by maybe he knows something more.

KR
Philippe

[Colorado]

Thanks Philippe. The badge is fairly worn, zinc pest and the stamps appear very old too. Here is a different angle.

[Philippe DB]

Hi Jeff,

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm confident that the IAB is authentic, just not so certain about the markings. I'm sure your aware that they stamp lazy 2 in perfectly genuine RK's too that are not necessarily made by Juncker

KR
Philippe

[Master3477]

Hi

I am still the opinion that the number 3 IAB is a fake but perhaps someone can proof me wrong. The IABs with numbers as far as I know are all manufactured the same way. Here a number 1 and a number 4 of my collection. I bought a number 2 today and it is made the same way. The last two pictures show a fake number 2 IAB. So the style the number 3 IAB shown here is made makes me believe that it is a fake but I like to learn

original number 1




original number 4




fake number 2




Regards
Sven

[Philippe DB]

Hi Sven,


The last number 2 IAB is indeed a known fake, but neither the design nor the set-up have anything in common with the badge posted by Jeff.

The other numbered IAB's you posted are all Assmann badges and as such it's only logical that they all look alike just like they match their hollow and massive unmarked and "A" marked earlier brothers.

KR
Philippe

[Colorado]

Thanks again Philippe.

Master, I too also have seen the "2" posted and it is a known and obvious fake and nothing similar to the one posted, but thanks for posting. My badge and the number are completely different to those and therefore would not look like your originals nor the fakes of them.

The number is half the size as well and die struck not moulded.

The eagle is similar to Deumer, but reverse setup is different.

[Master3477]

Hi

ok like I said I like to learn

does anyone know any literature where I could find the number 3 shown by Colorado?

Philippe DB where did you get the information that the numbers 1,2,3 and 4 belong to Assmann. Perhaps there are good books on the market which I still don`t have and I would like to change that

regards
Sven