Army FJ-badge production left-overs

[Gunner II]

The original S&L NKS has near the hinge and catch a raised tablet, wich can only be made while moulding/stamping. The clasps in question don't have that feature, so for me absolutely not an original S&L reject.

Further don't like the eagles of the FJ badges a bit at this point. Only with more detailed photo's it can be judged.

[LandZack2013]

The original S&L NKS has near the hinge and catch a raised tablet, wich can only be made while moulding/stamping. The clasps in question don't have that feature, so for me absolutely not an original S&L reject.

Further don't like the eagles of the FJ badges a bit at this point. Only with more detailed photo's it can be judged.

Indeed this is true. I think we need very close pictures of the details in order to judge not only the detailing, but the metal as well.

[Thomas Durante]

Why not telling YO the 89-year old guy, who is slowly dying of cancer, and gave those away for free...?

Hi guys,

These fake planchets pop up from time to time, and we have seen them before. Here is another one, just like the ones that started this thread.

The para eagles are not rejects of original badges in my opinion, but rather fakes made using an original S&L Luftwaffe Paratrooper badge eagle as the model. They trimmed the swastika off and stuck crude talons on in an attempt at making a Heer Para badge. Here are a few more fakes just like it. The first is marked L58 and its reverse hardware setup is commonly found on postwar Souval fakes. The other badge is unmarked, but clearly is a poor attempt at finish and reverse hardware.

[Thomas Durante]

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[Thomas Durante]

The CCC planchets are more interesting, and Dirk got it right they looks to be S&L clasps. Not sure if these are originals or not, but it really wouldn't make sense that these planchets would have been saved. If they are original, they would be made of zinc and zinc was easy enough to melt down and reused in a new badge of badges if they messed up the production.

We would need much more closer shots of the reverse of the clasps to see if they have the crisp die characteristics found on original S&L clasps. If not, then I would say they are also likely cast reproductions of original S&L badges that are being passed off as "original rejects".

You can go to any big show here in the US and find guys selling box-loads of unfinished, punched planchets like this of all types of Army and Kriegs badges. All fakes IMO.

Tom

[checkit]

I remember seeing "rejects" at the first gun show I went to back in 1964. All in a big coffee can for $1.00 each.

[kenneth wolfe]

These are great for a study of how repros are made! As they are incomplete this provides an insight that is not normally seen as they are normally complete during the examination process.

[LandZack2013]

Just a question.... again, not to be disrespectful, is there any possible connection to S&L that this 89 year old man has? Possibly he or a relation worked for them? If not I am at a loss as to how he could have had access to these dies?

[Darrell]

Just a question.... again, not to be disrespectful, is there any possible connection to S&L that this 89 year old man has? Possibly he or a relation worked for them? If not I am at a loss as to how he could have had access to these dies?

OR ... it's just a story in itself. Someone seems to be pretty quiet now.

[LandZack2013]

OR ... it's just a story in itself. Someone seems to be pretty quiet now.

Yes, quiet indeed.