Josef 'Sepp' Allerberger... Sniper Badge(Niemann).

[PAB_Collector]

Not that I would buy anything from Detlev (for a number of reasons), but this is just really pathetic.

[jacquesf]

Not that I would buy anything from Detlev (for a number of reasons), but this is just really pathetic.

I cannot agree more. Jacques

[Jeff V]

Thanks Steve for posting those images from the book. You will notice it is the same badge as the one on the left. It gets very tiresome to constantly explain this and that about why these badges are fake only to have people who don't know anything argue about why a book who's purpose was to document the fakes commonly available 20 years ago is now not good enough. Detlev has put one of these crappers in his book and has sold a few of them over the years (I remember one that had been aged to look like it was torn off a uniform). If you compare them to Jacques' originals you will see they are not close to what an original should look like.
best wishes,
jeff

[Dietrich Maerz]

Mr. Allerberger never got a Knights Cross. Mr. Niemann should reallly start to invest in some books. I can recommend Veit Scherzer "Ritterkreuzträger 1939-145", among others ...
Than fact does make the EK2 RK conversion more than questionable ... I can't comment on the sniper badge but see the similarities to the fake very clearly. Somebody got taken big time.

[frankandfrank]

Yes, Allerberger was not knights cross winner - but it seems, that he is thinking that was a knights cross winner !
There a lot of fake stories about knight cross winners. If you are looking at the new hermann historica catalogue No 8329 : selling knights cross, iron cross I and II of Waffen-SS knights cross winner Kurt Launer !
Look the condition of the iron cross first class ! With engraved on the backside" Kurt Launer 7.VII.1941"! A stupid story for stupid collectors?

[Panthera Tigris]

I can recommend Veit Scherzer "Ritterkreuzträger 1939-145", among others ...

Thanks for the tip!

[Nordmark]

Just a thought here, but if Detlev sells the group for 1500€, he has bought it for 1125€, so I think he has a reason to believe this group to be legit.



Regards,


Daniel

[Dietrich Maerz]

Well, then he is in the same group of 'believers' as the one who he sold it to! In that case both didn't do their homework. Does not make the badge real nor the guy a RK winner.

[Nordmark]

Well, then he is in the same group of 'believers' as the one who he sold it to! In that case both didn't do their homework. Does not make the badge real nor the guy a RK winner.

Right, but that was not the direction my comment was aimed at...

[mdj]

dont believe what niemann tells....Perhaps in 70 or 80%, but not always the stuff he deals with is correct and with fully provenance. We as human beings all make mistakes whether we are aware of it or not.

martin

[jaeger7-de]

Bye the way... have anyone some information on if Allerberger is still alive???

:-)Nicolai

He passed away on 3rd March this year, aged 85 !

jaeger7-de

[ChrisH]

on the photo left with gun , he worn a knight cross

photo-montage

a few repro photos , one with kc ? , but not listet kc holder , , EK2 with postwar kc ribbon
but a "Original" sniper ............ very stupid group, i would run

[HouweTrouwe]

Josef Allerberger got it unofficially in April, 1945.

On Mr. Veitz's book goes only to documentated material. Many late war or unofficial entitled Knights Crosses aren't named in the book. More than 100! Schade

[Dietrich Maerz]

There is a reason they are not mentioned: because by he law of the issuing land they never got one. You either go by the procedure (which has been described in several books) or you just throw the awards around. What if Schoerner in a moment of desperate motivation would have said: all my solders got the RK?

This is not about the bravery of the soldier(s) - this is about the laws and regulations of the Order of the Iron Cross. Allenberger was brave, no doubt, but he was never awarded a Knights Cross. Not because of his fault but rather because the system was no longer in place.

[HouweTrouwe]

There is a reason they are not mentioned: because by he law of the issuing land they never got one. You either go by the procedure (which has been described in several books) or you just throw the awards around. What if Schoerner in a moment of desperate motivation would have said: all my solders got the RK?

This is not about the bravery of the soldier(s) - this is about the laws and regulations of the Order of the Iron Cross. Allenberger was brave, no doubt, but he was never awarded a Knights Cross. Not because of his fault but rather because the system was no longer in place.

How would they follow the procedure in the last days of the war? Typewriters were changed with weapons and munition, everyone had to fight. If an officer recommendated a soldier and asked the unit CO for the awarding and he accepted it, the soldier was awarded it. I heared from many soldiers of 'unofficial' awardings. Thought they earned, recieved and deserved it as to quote these veterans. Why would decline them as official bearers? Let's not forget that Berlin was bombed and many of the archives went lost or those who could confirm any of the cases (some are now solved).