tricky quiz for the PAB crowd

[Frank Heukemes]

Who is the maker? Anybody recognize it? Thoughts?

Cheers, Frank

[anguspm]

No idea who but I have a question:

Is it missing part of the outside sfge at about the 0900 position?

Nice cut out swaz.

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Angus,

Yes, the badge is broken there.

Cheers, Frank

[Chet Sowersby]

Frank, I must have missed the thread (or part of) that revealed who this badge maker is. All I remember is the cut-out swastika and the seventh road wheel. I'am sure Philippe knows who the maker is though.

Chet

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Chet,

hint: the swastika is actually not really cut out, do not be mislead by that.

Cheers, Frank

[Philippe DB]

Dear Frank,

If you know the maker of these PAB's you will really make my day

As I explained in other threads IMO this is the second version of the only factory made PAB we know off with cut-out swas but thats about all I think I know about these badges. Never found any hollow or massive variant with mm.

It ones crossed my mind that F&R could be involved here but that just a wild guess.

So really can't wait untill you lift the veil on this one and share your finds with all of us.

KR
Philippe

[skip]

C´mon Frank,

show us what the back looks like.

Skip

[Philippe DB]

C´mon Frank,

show us what the back looks like.

Skip

Hi Skipy,

Let's hope Frank didn't leave on holiday yesterday

Really can't imagin that there could be a mm on this badge. Besides Assmann I never saw any mm an a hollow PAB so that really would make it double special

KR
Philippe

PS: Sorry, forgot the almost completely hollow A.S

[Frank Heukemes]

Ok, guys, I admit I pulled your leg with that one.

This fake has a great obverse, would I have shown the reverse you would have seen it right away!
So take it as a warning when shopping on ebay and the likes with only obverse pictures offered. I bought this badge when I was 16 yeras old and never saw one like it again ever since. It shows copper under a heavy and high quality silver plating.

Cheers, Frank

[Philippe DB]

Dear Frank

You practicaly knocked me out of my chair here.

Alltough the reverse looks beaten up I find it extremely difficult to beleive that this is a copy. Did you see the pictures of the PAB Detlev sold in this thread

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=35322

IMO the badge you posted is the silver brother of that badge and the massive version of my hollow PAB posted in this thread

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=32549

I admit that the pictures of the Detlev badge aren't very clear but the one you posted has the same setup possible with a repaired catch. Winkler has 4 of these PAB in silver for sale but i have to admit that on these I can't see any copper shining throug. Can you bend this badge?

Really confused here

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Philippe,

Yes, I can assure you it is a (cast) fake. It might very well be the case that it was cast from the type PAB you refer to. Its "hinge" isn´t even a hinge, it was cast in one part with the badge. The pin is flimsy and tapers slowly to a tip. The catch is wrong as well. Also note the cast marks on the reverse, right side.
It is hard as a rock though, no bending possible.

I was just going to have some fun, because the obverse looks very crisp and believable.

Cheers, Frank

[johnrtse]

If the badge could be original, Maybe...

The badge is really made out of the same bronze material as the millions of KVK's that were produced (before they switched to zinc)? Certainly not a precious war metal that copper would be at that time.

Just a thought.
John

[johnrtse]

If the badge could be original, Maybe...

The badge is really made out of the same bronze material as the millions of KVK's that were produced (before they switched to zinc)? Certainly not a precious war metal that copper would be at that time.

Just a thought.
John

Frank- You got your post in while I was typing my response. forget what I said!

[Philippe DB]

Hi Guys,

Just so everybody could see how good this copy on the obverse really is I post a comparison with the original hollow version. But remeber they do exist in a massive version also.

The only flaws I can detect are less detailing to the left grass area and a little bend in the lower right tank track. That bend exists also on the original but is less pronounced.

For me this is one of the most scary and accurate copies of a PAB I have ever seen and without seeing the reverse impossible to unmask IMO.

KR
Philippe

[Chet Sowersby]

Philippe, look also at the third and fourth road wheels on the right hand side.(going from left to right) They are poorly formed. I noticed this right away when Frank posted the badge. I should have known it was a fake then. Frank gave me a hint and I failed to add one and one!

Chet