Sniper Badge 1st and 3rd grade

[Jeff V]

Jeff thanks for you excellent analysis.
If it is a fake badge, do you habe a picture of fake badge in colour ?
In my opinion the reason why the oak leaves dont touch the border is the flashlight.
The enlargement is very fuzzy.
I attached a pic of reverse.
The paper quality looks like other original photos.
A little bit confused is the date of 24.1.1944!
I think (only my opinion) the soldier made a mistake by date, instead of 1945 he wrote 1944.
What do you think?

Best regards

Sniper1944

Hi Sniper, I do not have a picture of a similar fake sniper badge. I don't collect pictures of fakes so I can not be of any help on that.
best wishes,
jeff

[Sniper1944]

Today is possible to attached the reverse !

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Sniper1944

[Phil Slack]

Today is possible to attached the reverse !

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Sniper1944

a question if i could .....if this picture is real what would that mean in the medal collectors world
and what would or could happen
also how much would that picture be worth and for other authors
of third reich militaira to use in a book
also where would a person take it to be 100% postive aged who would the expert be
i think the answers will be very intresting

[byterock]

1) a simple black light test
2) A hands on inspection by any of the keen photo-collectors on that list.
3) I would also research the chaps name. Get his authentic Soldbuch it would go along way on the positive side

Carbon -dating will not work as the piece is not old enough.

If it is authentic then is will be a sensation the first anyone has seen.

As for price that is anyones guess. For a inclusion in a book it would not be unreasonable to ask 10X the normal rate for a photo.

[Bob Hritz]

An extremely interesting picture for sure, however the badge itself does not look quite right. A friend skilled in photoshop has done a comparison with the type generally thought to be original. You will see the dimensions of the badge including the size and extent of the oakleaves to the border are different as well as the position of the eagle's eye. In the picture badge the eye is well left of the center of the badge. In the badges thought to be original the vertical line of the eye is near the center of the badge. Also the shape of the eagle and beak appear different.

Anyway, to me this means one of three things:
The picture is fake with a fake badge.
The picture is real and the badges that the collecting community generally accepts as authentic are fake.
The picture is real and the badge is a unknown variant.

Any other thoughts on this?
best wishes,
jeff

Jeff,

Perhaps I am seeing something different. I see the bright cord outer trim for advanced grade of the badge. The photo is not clear enough to make out the interior green border, but that explains the position of the leaves in comparison to the outer bullion border: the inner border is not clear enough to distinguish.

I do not know if the photo is original, but I cannot see anything to make me believe it was done on Photoshop.

I would be very happy to own this photo, or even a fine quality print of it.

Bob Hritz

[Jeff V]

Jeff,

Perhaps I am seeing something different. I see the bright cord outer trim for advanced grade of the badge. The photo is not clear enough to make out the interior green border, but that explains the position of the leaves in comparison to the outer bullion border: the inner border is not clear enough to distinguish.

I do not know if the photo is original, but I cannot see anything to make me believe it was done on Photoshop.

I would be very happy to own this photo, or even a fine quality print of it.

Bob Hritz

Hi Bob, I have to disagree. If the photo has sufficient clarity to see the oakleaves we should be able to see the inner green border, to say nothing of the vertical allignment of the eagle's eye at the 11 o'clock position instead of 12 o'clock.
best wishes,
jeff

[Bob Hritz]

Jeff,

You could well be correct. I just do not trust my eyes with odd angles and non-flat photography of insignia, in wear.

Bob Hritz

[Ludwig]

Jeff,

Perhaps I am seeing something different. I see the bright cord outer trim for advanced grade of the badge. The photo is not clear enough to make out the interior green border, but that explains the position of the leaves in comparison to the outer bullion border: the inner border is not clear enough to distinguish.

I do not know if the photo is original, but I cannot see anything to make me believe it was done on Photoshop.

I would be very happy to own this photo, or even a fine quality print of it.

Bob Hritz

I fully agree! After having seen all of the the photo + reverse, I think it´s an original photo. And quite logic he has written 44 instead of 45. How many times haven´t I written last year insted of the new year. Ay least for a short time. And perhaps this was the first thing he wrote in 1945, so his mind was still 1944?
And about beak, angles, cord etc. I don´t see anything that makes it impossible to be a wartime original.

[Sniper 1987]

Hopefully sniper1944, who appears to be located in Germany, will allow an in-hand inspection of the photo by trusted experts in that part of the world. It would be great to finally have an authentic period photo of the badge in wear.

Matt

[Ludwig]

So, what happened here? Did this thread die?

[clestuff]

Not dead

No, it's not dead. I'll be posting pics of a sniper badge that DOES look like the one in picture.

[Bruce Simcox]

Take a look......

......Here: http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthread.php?t=337130

[jacquesf]

TTT. To help with the current discussion. J

[101combatvet]

Today is possible to attached the reverse !

Best regards

Sniper1944

The picture was taken before the badge was authorized?