Sniper Badge 1st and 3rd grade

[m11011963]

I think also that this Picture is made with Photoshop.

best regards
Mike

[Sniper1944]

Here the whole picture.

In my opinion it is a original.
Because all sizes of badges are proportionale to the other badges and uniform details.
Also the angles of the badges to the rest of uniform are correct.
Please disabuse me, what should be wrong on this picture. Nobody is perfect.
Assuming that photo is a fake, why are not more other pics with sniper badge in circulation.
The people can make a lot of money with this excellent work.
And why the faker placed the sniper badges on the left side and not in the middle of underarm. It would be looks better.

Best regards to all

Sniper1944

[Sniper1944]

Sniper 1944- What makes you think your two badges are fake?
Unless you have some specific information that those two are fakes, I would say they are original.
best wishes,
jeff

Unfortunately I dont have specific information but i have a little problem with the grey baseplate. Looks other in comparison to the both other badges.

Sniper1944

[jacques]

Sniper44,

Is the paper marked on the reverse ?

The pic looks good; in that case, you own a unique picture showing this badge worn .

[Ludwig]

I hope that you understand, that if this photo is a wartime original, it´s a small sensation! It would be the very first to show the Sniper´s badge being worn. It´s just too good to be true! Where did you get that photo?

[derrydingle]

front of the photo looks good to me would also be interested in the back is there anything on the back of the photo?

[Sniper1944]

In the I´am not at home.
I will take a pic of reverse next monday.

Best regards

Sniper1944

[Giel VW]

One of the things of which I thought I would never see them is a sniper patch in wear, and here you have it! AMAZING photo if this is real.

A close up of the patch would be very nice, and as Jacques I would also be very interested in seeing the reverse of this photo. Last month I purchased some photos, printed on afga lupex, on them someone was posing with a panzerwrap, tdb and rk. The pictures were probably taken only a few months before that and printed on fake Afga Paper. You have to be very careful these days with "period" photos...

[PANZERPIONIERE]

That is a great find!
I also hope it is an original picture, from the front it looks great!
Steve

[Simon O.]

Unless it's obvious, uncovering manipulated or faked photos is something for specialists in the field. Not something the layman can do from a scan posted on a website. Provenance would help of course, but even then you have to be wary.

[Jeff V]

An extremely interesting picture for sure, however the badge itself does not look quite right. A friend skilled in photoshop has done a comparison with the type generally thought to be original. You will see the dimensions of the badge including the size and extent of the oakleaves to the border are different as well as the position of the eagle's eye. In the picture badge the eye is well left of the center of the badge. In the badges thought to be original the vertical line of the eye is near the center of the badge. Also the shape of the eagle and beak appear different.

Anyway, to me this means one of three things:
The picture is fake with a fake badge.
The picture is real and the badges that the collecting community generally accepts as authentic are fake.
The picture is real and the badge is a unknown variant.

Any other thoughts on this?
best wishes,
jeff

[Sniper1944]

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An extremely interesting picture for sure, however the badge itself does not look quite right. A friend skilled in photoshop has done a comparison with the type generally thought to be original. You will see the dimensions of the badge including the size and extent of the oakleaves to the border are different as well as the position of the eagle's eye. In the picture badge the eye is well left of the center of the badge. In the badges thought to be original the vertical line of the eye is near the center of the badge. Also the shape of the eagle and beak appear different.

Anyway, to me this means one of three things:
The picture is fake with a fake badge.
The picture is real and the badges that the collecting community generally accepts as authentic are fake.
The picture is real and the badge is a unknown variant.

Any other thoughts on this?
best wishes,
jeff

Jeff thanks for you excellent analysis.
If it is a fake badge, do you habe a picture of fake badge in colour ?
In my opinion the reason why the oak leaves dont touch the border is the flashlight.
The enlargement is very fuzzy.
I attached a pic of reverse.
The paper quality looks like other original photos.
A little bit confused is the date of 24.1.1944!
I think (only my opinion) the soldier made a mistake by date, instead of 1945 he wrote 1944.
What do you think?

Best regards

Sniper1944

[Sniper1944]

Why i can not attached picture ?

[byterock]

One reason why it may look rounder in the the photo is that it was shot on a large format camera with a period wide angle lens with leaf shutter synced to a flash.

This could cause objects to appear more or less round when viewed at oblique angles to the focal plane.

This is akin to pin distortion but called something else and I can't remember what but was quite common on old leaf shutter cameras.

I think only a third party investigation of the pic in question will be the only way to tell if it is period.

[Mike Coleman]

Look at post #9

I think if you look back at post #9 at the bottom picture where the water mark is off the badge I would agree that it appears that the oak leaves do not extend to the border at the sides or at the bottom. The shape of the eagle's head, beak and location of the eye is still a bit "iffy" to me in comparing the over lay picture. In other words I really can't tell that well. Certainly if the date on the picture is before the institution of the badge that is a red flag. But I will also say that if the date was really Jan. 24,1945 instead of 1944 I could almost understand it as it is now Jan. 29, 2009 and I still catch myself wanting to write 2008 on things! Generally though I have found that when I have something that I really, really want to be a good piece but find myself having to make a bunch of excuses to myself to make up for inconsistencies in that particular piece it is a bad sign and I should walk away from it.....But I sure would like that picture to be the real deal.
Cheers,
Mike