Several CCC's, real or fake? Identification and opinions please...

[ussniper223]

I have several photos of CCC's and im not sure if they are fake or real. I also need a more professional opinion on weather or not they are bronze or gold...one is claimed to be a gold but im not sure. Please advise...thanks so much!

A claimed Gold CCC:

Is this one real or fake? Gold or bronze? Notice the JFS maker mark on the right side...most JFS are on the left side of the backplate, aren't they?

This next one is a claimed silver class FLL...

Real or fake? I noticed the backplate has that golden-ish color most FLL have...opinions?

Another claimed Silver class...

Im not sure on this one because there are no maker marks. Opinions?

This one is a claimed gold un-marked...what do you think? Bronze or gold?

The owner claims Gold, but it looks bronze to me...opinions?

This is another FLL...Bronze or gold?

Real or fake? Looks bronze to me...

And the last one...very close picture of maker mark...but what class? Bronze?

Not sure at all on this one...looks original to me.


Sorry for all the questions guys...Im so new to this and I have found someone willing to let these go for very reasonable prices...Providing that they are real. Any opinions, advice, help or comments are appreciated to the fullest. Thanks so much for your feedback!

Sincerely,
Mark weaver

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Mark,

OK, a bunch of info you laid out and I am not sure if your text all goes with the right clasps or not, but here goes:

All 4 clasps look original to me. The first JFS probably has a replaced pin, but all else is textbook for a 2nd pattern JFS clasp. Maker mark was switched from the first pattern, which you also show on your last clasp, a JFS 1st pattern. Both JFS's look bronze to me. The brighter bronze on the first one can be found on JFS clasps, and may look more goldish when sitting alone. Being ground dug may have affected also how the finish looks, but put it next to a true gold clasp and the differences would be quite apparent IMO.

The 2 silver clasps also look original and good. The 1st one is one by an as of yet unidentified maker (probably Deumer IMO), and in nice condition. I am still missing a nice silver one of these for my collection. The 2nd silver is a nicely worn FLL.

Tom

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I was just typing my response as well, and saw the concise response from Tom. His was more detailed too I'll leave it to his reply

[ussniper223]

Thanks for the feedback so far, I'm sorry if my text doesn't fit well with the images, I tried to put a block before and after each pic...just check whatever is on top and bottom of each photo. I hoped that the first one was a Gold, but I guess I was being misled, or the dealer was un-aware. The Silvers I think are outstanding. Glad to hear that they aren't all fakes! You guys are the greatest thanks for your opinions!
Sincerely,
Mark Weaver

[PABLO_Teale]

Tom's the expert so no need to add any more confirmation of originality really, all good Mark. I have an FLL of the same pattern to yours, they are less common than the other FLL's.

[Justin P]

Tom's the expert so no need to add any more confirmation of originality really, all good Mark. I have an FLL of the same pattern to yours, they are less common than the other FLL's.

Theres always more room for Discussion, You cant tell a grade of Clasp for sure by photo alone! In hand is the way, However it would be good to see some close ups of The brighter bronze Clasp

[PABLO_Teale]

Theres always more room for Discussion, You cant tell a grade of Clasp for sure by photo alone!

I didn't say there was no room for discussion Justin. I said no need for more confirmation of originality, I'd say Tom knows his CCC's quite well...... Very true about photo's though, I spend a lot of time trying to get the photo's of my collection to be an accurate depiction of what they truly look like, but sadly am rarely successful. Badges can look a totally different colour in a photo!