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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:39 PM

And his badge:

Note the details:
1. The right side of the tank turret is to the RIGHT of the right edge of the teeth.
2. There is a bridge between the two bone lines on the bottom right bone AND the left bottom bone.
3. The tank has a “hump-back” and is on the chubby side.
4. There is no cleft created on the top left side of the skull by the temporal line.

Note: this photo is too blurry to really tell any details, but it looks like this is the same badge that is worn by Tanker-A.

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:39 PM

Here is a post-1936 and pre-1939 photo of Uffz. Volker with Uffz. Abraham (park bench photo):

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:40 PM

And Volker’s badge:

Note the details:

1. The right side of the tank turret is to the RIGHT of the right edge of the teeth.
2. The wreath is not too bushy, and not too smooth either.
3. The left eye temporal line leans to the LEFT.
4. The tank has a “hump-back” and is on the chubby side.
5. The teeth are almost straight in line (almost no curve to them).
6. The right cheekbone is highly pronounced.
7. The forehead cleft is pronounced and deep.
8. The temporal line created a cleft on the top left edge of the skull

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:41 PM

Here is the original picture of Uffz. Volker just before the Legion Condor victory parade in Berlin:

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:42 PM

And his badge on victory parade day:

This is a DIFFERENT badge than the one Uffz. Volker is wearing in the “park bench” photo:

Note the details:
1. The right side of the tank turret is to the RIGHT of the right edge of the teeth.
2. There is a bridge between the two bone lines on the bottom right bone .
3. The tank has a “hump-back” and is on the chubby side.
4. The teeth are almost straight in line (almost no curve to them).
5. There is no cleft created on the top left side of the skull by the temporal line.

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:42 PM

Finally, here is the original 1941 photo of Rudolph Vogt, who made this thread possible:

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:43 PM

And Vogt’s badge in 1941:

Note the details:

1. The right side of the tank turret is to the RIGHT of the right edge of the teeth.
2. The wreath is not too bushy, and not too smooth either.
3. The left eye temporal line leans to the LEFT.
4. The tank has a “hump-back” and is on the chubby side.
5. The teeth are almost straight in line (almost no curve to them).
6. The right cheekbone is highly pronounced.
7. The forehead cleft is pronounced and deep.
8. The temporal line created a cleft on the top left edge of the skull

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**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 03:44 PM

DEMONSTRATION OVER

Yuri

**François SAEZ** · 09-21-2003, 04:05 PM

Can you please, make a short resume of your demo

**W. C. Stump** · 09-21-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Yuri Desyatnik

Here is the first studio photo from November 1936 of Dolmetscher (interpreter) Hermann Bartels, lovingly known as “Sir Bartels” by his Legion Condor compadres.

This badge is obvious the Portuguese 1st type badge.

**Yuri D.** · 09-21-2003, 04:10 PM

To me, it looks like there are two types of badges in these photos:

Type 1: Skull with a cleft on the top left edge.

Type 2: Skull without cleft on the top left edge.

Please read the thread carefully and put forth your own conclusions about the data. I did not state any opinions intentionally. I do not want to influence people's judgement and interpretations.

Yuri

**W. C. Stump** · 09-21-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Yuri Desyatnik

Here is another photo from the same time period, from around the same month that the badge was issued of Hauptmann Lansa, Fuhrer der Panzer Abwehr Ausbildung. Note the absence of insignia, which means pre-Winter 1936 photo.

Another obvious Portuguese 1st type badge.

**François SAEZ** · 09-21-2003, 04:13 PM

Thanks Yuri

**W. C. Stump** · 09-21-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Yuri Desyatnik

Here is the ORIGINAL famous post-1936 pre-1939 photo of Bartz with his LCPB:

No doubt a Portuguese 1st type badge.

**W. C. Stump** · 09-21-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Yuri Desyatnik

Here is the ORIGINAL post-1936 pre-1939 photo of Ritterkreuz Tragger Kurt Kannenberg with his LCPB:

Still another Portuguese 1st type badge.

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