CCC grouping with interesting ccc for Tom

[Don D.]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=300218

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Don,

Thanks for that link, for sure an interesting CCC. Its ia 1.2.1 AGMuK that was either ground dug or stored in HORRIBLE conditions. Surprised the pin is still with it seeing that the hinge tops are missing. I have seen this crackled-type of finish on a few other CCCs, but all were ground dug.

Tom

[Don D.]

The sunken in reverse is interesting. It almost appears that the badge is deteriorating away under the finish.

Or was it an attempt at making a semi-hollow spange?

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Don,

I think that is a trick of the photograph. At first I thought the same thing, but it must be that the edges are filed away and gives the impression that it is concave.

It looks like the zink has gotten wet and expanded, producing the cracked appearance to the reverse.

Tom

[byterock]

Looks like he tried to de-nazify it with Acid.

Most likely worked well at first.

However ZINC is a very porous metal so maybe some of the acid must of gotten under its skin sort to speak?

[Justin P]

Byterrock you might be spot on there! After speaking with Seller he tells me this is not Ground dug!

I'm the buyer---with help from a friend) Of this Group, I will get some Close up photos of CCC when it arives

Thanks Tom for your help

Regards,

[Justin P]

As Promised......Acid mostly likely caused Damage.......Pin looks bent as if its been pulled at when in wear, Hence the broken Hinge

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[Don D.]

If it is acid damage why did it only effect the reverse?

[Justin P]

Thats A good point Don! Back to the Drawing Board?

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Justin,

Can you tell if the clasp is concave as Don suggested, or just a trick of the camera due to the finish pealing up more on the reverse edges? That is what it looks like to me, as you can see under the layer of finish in may places, suggested it is coming off in sheets.

Whether it is acid or whatever, I think the reason the reverse has a different appearance is the reverse is a flat surface whereas the obverse has many folds and crevaces. The flat back of the clasp lends the finish to come off in sheets (as one large piece), whearas the crevaces of the obverse lend the finish to come off in little flakes, as can be seen on the grenade handle. I think the grooves of the obverse help hold the finish together, if that makes sense.

Case in point, I just got done pulling down 40 year old wall paper in our house. On the flat areas of the wall, the paper came off pretty easily as sheets, but around the corners and small grooves in the walls, we had a hell of a time pulling out all the paper. At one point we were using tweezers to pull it out completely! That is how well it bonded to the paper on the sheetrock!!

Tom

[stewy]

Justin,it almost looks like heat damage. But like an oven,not a bonfire.Could it have been heated in an attempt to make it easier to de-swaz?

[Justin P]

Thanks Tom Understand what your getting at


Has Stew had a Brain Wave? You dint mention that when you looked at it in person

Will Take better photos in Day light

Thanks


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[Justin P]

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[Thomas Durante]

Hi Justin,

Thanks for the additional pics. The reverse shot looks like its a typically flat reverse, what do you think Don? I think the finish peeling away a bit gave it that concave look to it, but IMO its a typical 1.2.1 AGMuK.

Tom

[Don D.]

I have to agree. I think the base metal must be a poor mix of zink and something else.