R.S. CCC pics, please

[Albert]

Hello Peter,

Yes, that's different. On my friend's clasp the "R" is well defined. Is that the red flag?

Br,
Al

[Peter J.]

R.S. CCC

Hi Albert.

To be honest, I don´t think I´m qualyfied to answer that
question, due to lack of experience.
But if you think that Philippe and Frank are two
trustworthy guys, I think you have your answer there.

Regards
Peter

[Albert]

Hi Peter,

Of course I think they are trustworthy. But I hope there is more than just a blurry "R" that helps tell right from wrong.

Otherwise we would have to find answers to questions such as where did the imperfection come from,
is it a different die or die wear on the original dye,
but then the one with out the blob should be erlier,
why did the fakers allow that obvious imperfection...

Hey, Frank, you dilitante, speak up

br,
Al

[Peter J.]

R.S. CCC

Hi Albert.

Good, that makes it two of us .

Philippe´s and mine have the same characteristics: needle,
plate-attachment, maker´s mark etc. This should give you a
clue as to how they are supposed to look. As for variations
or fakes I really can´t tell you. And I agree with you,
Frank, where are you?

Regards
Peter

[Philippe DB]

Hi Guys,

I also think it's best to wait for Franks input on this one. Just did some searching but only found very little information on these RS ccc's.

I think the accepted technique to secure the backplate is the one shown on the badge Peter posted and on the one I posted myself.

I only found one picture of a slightly different technique, shown in this thread

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=rs+ccc

So I realy wouldn't know if the crimping of the back plate is a sure give away on Albert's badge. Personaly however I don't realy like that CCC purely based upon the crude look and the skinny looking pin. But this could be due to the very worn condition and to the not so sharp pics.

I'll post one more detailed pic of the one I have in my files.

KR
Philippe

[Albert]

Hello Philippe,

Thanks for the very detailed picture of the center of the obverse. I spent some time comparing the tools "fingerprints" and there is no doubt in my mind that the same die was used to shape the obverse. Well, this would be in line with the assumption Souval used the same tools to produce badges after WWII.

So it has to be the reverse that holds the key to the question.

Anybody?

br,
Al

[Frank Heukemes]

Hallo Albert, alter Schwerenöter!

For me the clue is in the pin, typical repro pin. Also the whole clasp seems to be blurry in detail. Maybe that is just down to the photograph, but the pin is the real clue for me.

Cheers, Frank

[Albert]

Hallo Adlerauge,

Yes, the pin seamed to be different from the pins on CCCs that I have handled. Actualy, it was too nice, almost delicate, like the pins on Civilian Pilot Badges.

You said it was a typical repro pin. On what other badges did you see them? Oh no, please, not on Civilian Pilot Badges

Best regards,
Albert

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Albert,

I do not have a photo example handy. Maybe my explanation was also a bit incorrect. This type of pin is more of a typical pin for 1957 versions of Third Reich Badges than a repro pin. It very likely dates back to Souval´s fifties, early sixties restrike period.

Check out some 57 badges, many have that type pin.

Cheers, Frank

[John T]

I have to agree with Frank...without going into detail on the lettering etc...the pin is the dead giveaway....not seen on original CCC pieces, but seen on the repros that were done a while back,

John

[jcwater]

It`s a Grade I Bronze of 15 Combat days or Grade III Gold Clasp???