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    Wien Flak

    Gents,

    The last time we discussed the WH Wien Flak I had some rather crude images. I am certainly happy the member sent them my way, but they were just not up to snuff. I still have to say the supposed "bite" of the catch is not enough to make me believe in this badge, and I note Sowersby also does not like it. But to be fair we must talk it over. The hardware is generic but believeable. By generic I just mean, yes, this type was used on WH Flaks (Luftwaffe) but they are not special enough to be associated with a maker.

    The overall detail is good.

    Weight 27.8g
    Height 60.05
    Width: 44.56

    The measurements are all within tolerances.

    It does smell a bit like gun oil. The texture is zinc and not some slick thing.

    To the badge. The head has an odd shape with a bit of a bulge to the left. Doesn't condemn it, just a note. There are no circles to the left of the gears which is a first for me on a Heeresflak. Note the tops of the claws are flat. This is seen on a number of fakes for some reason. Not saying this is but a note.



    The reverse is interesting. There is a green finish much more visible on the reverse similar to the WH Luft flak finish. The solder areas are quite dark and sloppy. And the horizontal lines are quite noticeable.



    Here is the maker mark



    Hinge is quite believeable



    And some hinge shots to finish it off.




    #2
    Here is the initial thread:

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=wien

    Please note the reberse of the one posted on the end of the first page, as well as Eric's commenst to tie up the thread. I have to say this really baffles me. There are some good points to the badge, but I just have a bad feeling about it, and the negative points don't sway me. But I am up for a further discussion and now we have better pics!

    Marc

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      #3
      The stuff around the catch and hinge looks like that liquid cement that you can buy.

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        #4
        Crude for sure. I will remain in the "fake" camp for now.
        pseudo-expert

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          #5
          Marc,
          The WH flak badge has been kicked around like a soccer ball for sometime now. I don't collect these but I do follow the discussions dealing with them. Honestly I've never completely accepted them as good or bad. The fact that we've yet to come across one with providence does however concern me. That said, I am very skeptical of the one that started this thread as it is far too rough for my liking.

          Chet
          Zinc stinks!

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            #6
            This is the one in my collection. I got it at the Frankfurt A.M. flea market in 1980 or 81. It was purchased from a Turkish house clearer and he had a bunch of other stuff as well. Some good some bad. This was one of the better pieces and at the time I thought it was good. Now I am not so sure. The adlers head has allways bothered me but the other detail is exceptionally good. The zinc rot is real and not applied. Other than that I am happy to answer questions.


            Gary
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              This is the one in my collection. I got it at the Frankfurt A.M. flea market in 1980 or 81. It was purchased from a Turkish house clearer and he had a bunch of other stuff as well. Some good some bad. This was one of the better pieces and at the time I thought it was good. Now I am not so sure. The adlers head has allways bothered me but the other detail is exceptionally good. The zinc rot is real and not applied. Other than that I am happy to answer questions.


              Gary
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                            Whoever put it together it was done with care. There is no sloppyness about it anywhere. This is the type that is shown in Detlevs catalogue, not that that means anything.
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                              #15
                              The catch looks so squirrely...
                              Marc

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