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I don't know a whole lot about specific dates etc regarding the anti partisan badge but German efficiency during that time, and through all time, is legendary and from a purely economic point of view it would be stupid to produce them in such small numbers at a time. It makes logical sense to 'buy in bulk' if you know what i mean. To produce in such small numbers at a time would not be economical and for a nation losing a war like that they needed to make the best use of their available resources. As far as i am aware, it might have been a 'revered' badge but there was nothing remarkable about its contruction technique or materials used so making it would be like any other badge (correct me if i'm wrong here!)

Jono

**Tommaso** · 07-02-2007, 07:37 AM

Standing to that then, apart from the fact that the legendary german efficency didnt seems to have worked well since there were produced more than 20 times of the actual number of badges needed, we can also say that all the TR badges, starting from EKII to the Heer Bergfuhrer passing by for the HJ Hochland Ski badge, were produced in the numbers of 100.000.000 each in 1939 and they were never been made again during the course of the war even if more would have become needed?
Very interesting theory.

Cheers
T

**Don D.** · 07-02-2007, 11:27 AM

There are a few badges where the number of recipiants are known for sure. The LCTB is one and yet we have at least three different makers for it.

The number of original RKs far exceeds the number awarded. Why so many of this high award and not for a common badge?

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree since unless the production data surfaces we will never know for sure.

**paddywhack** · 07-02-2007, 12:14 PM

im with don on this! it just not make sense! but again what about the gold CCC? there are plenty of them avaible and yet there was only about 700 awarded!again by using the same logic as has been said on this thread ie because hitler himmler etc etc wanted to award them, there it was such a rare award there should be no more then 700 out there! but there isnt! why? because you product in bulk ! this isnt a badge like say the german cross it was simply die stamped! but that thread with the 11 badge! that would mean that that would be largested ever number anti partizan ever in one collection!!!also just because you ve only found 10 or so badge in the ground doesnt mean a thing im afraid! by using that statistic that would mean that there would next to no RKs or german cross produced but again there plently out there!!!!

**jacques** · 07-02-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by paddywhack View Post

but again what about the gold CCC? there are plenty of them avaible and yet there was only about 700 awarded!again by using the same logic as has been said on this thread ie because hitler himmler etc etc wanted to award them, there it was such a rare award there should be no more then 700 out there! but there isnt! why? because you product in bulk ! this isnt a badge like say the german cross it was simply die stamped!

Hi,
It is not the thread to talk about the CCC in gold, but indeed around 700 were awarded. around 170 were directly awarded by Hitler, Himmler and Guderian during known ceremonies, it concern the special luxious gold badge with top hook. the soldiers received a normal gilded zinc badge, generally on the front. I guess that these gold CCC (zinc ones) were available for private purchase or on request to the Chancellerie (must check that, my memoryhas failures).

Concerning the Bandenkampfabz., few articles are available in IMMagazine, and few booklet are dealing with it, without mentioning the awarded figures.

jacques

**paddywhack** · 07-02-2007, 03:24 PM

but thats my point! the anti partizan was the same!!!!!! YES id say maybe a good few were awarded personaly by hitler etc but then you had the ordinary awarding of the badges! the CCC in gold was a much more thought of award and incredably hard to get like the partizan and yet as you said it was an ordinary gilded zink badge! so why would the paritzan be different when as you can see the gold partizan badges were also just guilded or had a gold wash on it!!!!its quiet simply a award that although YES not many at all were awarded but loads were in the factories waiting to get awarded should the war have gone on past 45! also id say hitler or himmler would not be to impressed if they wanted to award these badges and they couldnt cos the company hadnt made enough!!!! makes you thinkl!!!

**Tommaso** · 07-03-2007, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by Don Doering View Post

The number of original RKs far exceeds the number awarded.

Hi Don,
just to have an idea, may you tell me how far exceeds in your opinion?
1 to 100?
1 to 1000?
1 to 10000?

Paddy, you did not replied to any of my points then please don't keep saying "is the same thing" because it makes no sense at all.
That badge WAS NOT like any other badge.
Simply like that.

Cheers
T

**Don D.** · 07-03-2007, 05:09 AM

If the number of RKs on dealer sites is any indication than 1-10 to 1-100 would be closer to the truth. And for your info the BKA was just another badge at the time. Nothing special or mythical about it and in fact front line soldiers thought very little of it. It is only collectors that have given it the special status it has now.

**Tommaso** · 07-03-2007, 06:22 AM

The number on dealer site??!
Oh, yeah, now I understand, as for the BKA badges on sale on the dealers badges??

For my info????
I'm afraid, but the mythical status to the BKA was given by the Reichsfuhrer-SS, that's why he kept for himself the right to award the gold grade, just tell me another analog with TR badges...
I strongly advise to read Himmler's and Globocnik's thoughts about that badge and the mystic background behind it..just tell me another analog where a badge was discussed about its meanings by the Reichsfuhrer-SS or Globus..

All right, I think we can stop now.
Cheers
T

**Jono** · 07-03-2007, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Drapeau Noir View Post

Standing to that then, apart from the fact that the legendary german efficency didnt seems to have worked well since there were produced more than 20 times of the actual number of badges needed, we can also say that all the TR badges, starting from EKII to the Heer Bergfuhrer passing by for the HJ Hochland Ski badge, were produced in the numbers of 100.000.000 each in 1939 and they were never been made again during the course of the war even if more would have become needed?
Very interesting theory.

Cheers
T

First off i never made a guess about how many they made. My comment about German efficiency has absolutely nothing to do with them making a guess as to how many of a badge they were going to need. The efficiency refers to their ability to mass produce in good quality and at the lowest cost of time and resources. The way to manufacturer an unremarkable badge in the most efficient way would produce a lot at the same time. But you would suggest that stopping and starting for little batches and interrupting the other production, packing them differently, and overall wasting time for less product would be the logical thing to do?
Very interesting theory

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