Assmann GAB - late war

[Tom Yanacek]

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[Tom Yanacek]

Keep in mind though, that originals of this type were injection-molded so there will be some casting seams on these badges.

[hagwalther]

Excellent photos Tom.

Regards ...

[Chrvip68]

Hi guys,

Very intresting and thanks for your opinions and i'll not defend the GAB, the feedback also is not necessary and means nothing but i have this GAB for many years from a retired old Austrian collector.

First of all the six ejector marks are there but not well shown on the photo, the ejector mark at 10 o'clock only under magnification can been seen. That make this fake if not well defined?

The finish on what remained is the typical appearance like the Assmann WBs.

Don, the Flak you said it is real, why the GAB not? and have similar catch. Variations on awards are exist even if they made by cast method.

Also i have seen the exactly set up on solid WBs and imho are made by Assmann but unmarked.

Lets ball rolling and we we learn something from it

[Tom Yanacek]

Hello Chris,
I don't think that Don was trying to say that the Heer Flak he posted was real. He was saying that it was a cast fake that was made by using a real badge as the model.
Best regards,
Tom

[Don D.]

The flak is a fake. One of the many lessons I've learned the hard way.

[Frogprince]

Two of the examples posted appear to have been made using the “lost wax” process. Using an original as the basis, a mold is made, and from the mold a wax replica. Plaster or another medium is then poured over the wax and allowed to set. The wax is then removed from the mold using heat - and molten metal is then poured into the mold creating a replica - which includes sprue marks/mold markings/casting seams etc. if they were also on the original.

Which is the long way around of explaining why visible residue is still in the recesses of the two replicas cited (Chris and Don's).

I don’t know if I still have them, but at one time I had a large group of all sorts of cast badges and medals that were (IMO) reasonably decent copies of the originals. They were still in the raw state (unfinished). And the individual I got them from had made them many, many, years ago and was just fooling around to see if could be done.

That was an attempt by an amateur which I used to educate myself. More troublesome are restrikes and those made by more sophisticated counterfeiters. My point being that age is not a determinate when it comes to fakes. And pamphlets regarding fakes were being published well over 40 years ago to alert collectors. FP

[Wim Vangossum]

The 4 different molds numbered from 1 to 4 have very tiny differents when you compare them, but they all have the same typical characteristics on some places that totally lacks on the GAB showed on top of this thread. It's a fake.

Regards, Theo

[Robert P.]

Yes, Theo, and our sets (#'s 1-4) have a very different pin.

Robert

[Tom Yanacek]

Yes, Theo, and our sets (#'s 1-4) have a very different pin.

Robert

Hello Robert,
The pin you show is certainly acceptable for a badge produced by Assmann, but I hope you're not trying to say that they should all have this type of pin. The standard shepherd crook pin was used as well.
Best regards,
Tom

[Robert P.]

Hello Robert,
The pin you show is certainly acceptable for a badge produced by Assmann, but I hope you're not trying to say that they should all have this type of pin. The standard shepherd crook pin was used as well.
Best regards,
Tom

No, you're right, Tom, both were used. I've looked very carefully at the pin on the Assmann I posted, and often wondered if it was a cast pin. But the pin appears to have been either cold or hot bent, and then applied to the round piece that attached with a pin to the cast hinge. I don't know which came last, the shepherd crook pin or the one I show.???

I guess it could have been cast as a one piece, and then bent with heat.???

Robert

[Tom Yanacek]

This die-cast Assmann (mold #4) is 52.83mm x 42.21mm and the weight is 24.0 grams. The badge that started this thread is too small in its height and width.

[Tom Yanacek]

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