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    A couple of questions for badge collectors:

    While I have had an interest, Third Reich badges are not my specially, and I’ve seen comments regarding a few things that I’m puzzled about. I’ve seen references to “buntmetall”. which I’m assuming means nonferrous. But seems to be nonspecific as to what the base metal is like copper, brass, zinc (etc.) Is that a correct interpretation?

    Also, especially for the badges like some of those late “bronze” examples from the Hermann Aurich company. I’ve seen “chocolate” or “dark chocolate” used to describe the matt sometimes very dark copper/brown frosted finish on late badges. While the colors more commonly seen in this era are silver, gold, various grays, and black. Phosphate coatings by their nature can be (and were) dyed, and I’m wondering if that was what some of the makers did to them color some of them, especially the late badges? Or did they use some other kind of process to color them? FP

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    Buntmetal

    FP,
    I cannot comment on the second part of your question but can inform you that the German term "Buntmetal" refers to "yellow metal" which for TR badge collectors usually means brass or tombak.

    Stan

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      Stan,
      Thank you very much for the correction and insight as to what ‘buntmetall’ means to badge collectors. With a little more research - it seems to be a generic term used when referring to copper based alloys. Which makes sense in the context of describing the outward appearance.

      I have a lot to learn, but where I still have a little confusion is with “brass/Gelbkupfer” versus “tombac/Tombak”. I have only a limited ability in the German language. But my understanding is that “Messing” is usually used for the yellow more highly alloyed (less copper) alloys, and that “Tombak” refers to the more reddish higher percentage of copper alloys.

      Do badge collectors normally make those kinds of distinctions - or use the more generic description? Best Regards, FP

      PS: One other related item I have wondered about is if an item being described refers to the surface finish, or the actual material the badge is made from? I’ve seen a number of badges that were plated. Speaking generally from another collecting area, as copper became more critical to the war effort it was withdrawn from nonessential items being replaced by materials like zinc (which itself had some later restrictions). There was a transition period when small quantities were still used as plating over a base metaL When a badge collector refers to a ‘buntmetall’ badge - is it the surface finish or a copper based alloy?

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        Buntmetal

        FP,

        The term Buntmetal to collectors covers both Brass (messing) and Tombak and they are both alloys of copper and zinc. The term is always used to describe the metal from which the badge is made and not to describe the surface colour or grade.

        Hope this explanation helps.

        Stan

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          Stan,

          Thank You Again for helping to continue my education.

          It’s always helpful to understand the language/context that specialized collectors use when describing what they collect. And it makes sense to properly describe what something is made from, which is not a trait universally shared in all collecting fields.

          I also understand where slightly different physical color variations are not indicative of grade, but rather are indicators of the percentage of copper in a particular badge. I still have questions regarding the late badges, and hopefully someone can provide some insight with them as well.

          Best Regards, FP

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