Can you post a pic or two Patrick?
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Heres some shots taken with a flash so appears a bit brighter than true life.
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Thanks for the pics. It looks alot like the unknown maker #2 to me. Anybody else have an opinion?pseudo-expertComment
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I still have a problem,, what is wrong whit my GAB as i see it still have the grumphy eagle head and is( dirty ) in bronze, as i see is that my GAB is more detailed then patricks, thats is the only difference i see. can anybody take a pic from the book and show us, then it will be easyer to compare. as i see mine is a better fake lol
the only thing thats bothers me is that some guys have recived some bronze marker 2 badges directly from veterans, do veterans have fakes??Last edited by Carsten135; 02-15-2007, 08:23 PM.Comment
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Hi Carsten,
I wouldn't be convinced an item was genuine just because it was received from a veteran. The veteran could have got it from a number of sources, there wouldn't be a huge number of German veterans who were captured with their awards that would have managed to keep them from being stolen by guards. I have no doubt that many veteran acquired badges are genuine but it isn't something to be taken for granted. If a German soldier had his awards stolen while in captivity wanted to replace them post war there is no guarantee that he didn't source them from one of the Austrian companies that continued making 3rd Reich badges postwar.
As for allied veteran acquisitions of 3rd Reich material this is even more cause to be careful. Many awards continued to be made after WW2 primarily for the occupying forces as souvenirs. Just because an allied veteran has an item does not automatically make it genuine unless you know the circumstances under which it was acquired.
As most of these gentlemen are now dead the veteran acquisition story is usually being given to you by a third party so you have to exercise caution. The old saying "buyer beware" still applies, someone who is intent on selling something is usually a little flexible about the truth.
Good luck with future purchases, you aren't the first or last person to have been caught out, there are few collectors who haven't been sold a fake at some stage.
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Re Patricks badge, the pin it appears to have a silver finish rather than a bronze one. If the pin was coated in a bronze finish then it would seem to indicate there might be such a thing as a bronze GAB, but to me it appears to be a silver GAB with all the finish gone from it.
If the badge was zinc then there might be a case for arguing a bronze finish but if the badge is tombak then it seems unlikely. There also appear to be traces of silvering on the badge itself, unless this is the camera flash.
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Thx for info
Thx steve for info, and yes i had my lessons on fakes, and this world is not only black and white theres a big gray zone in between.Comment
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It's without doubt a silver GAB with the finish worn away. You can see the silver in all the untouchable parts of the badge! I cannot believe how anyone could contemplate that it is a bronze GAB. Nice GAB though
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@Redfaced- I didn't state anywhere that I believed there was such a thing as a bronze grade GAB, I believe it to be a production line error nothing else. Also there is absolutely no trace whatsoever of a silver finish on this badge what you can see in the shots is camera flash
@Steve, thanks for the comments, you are correct in that the pin and hinge have a slightly different finish to the body of the badge, however it is not silver but a lighter bronze colour, It would appear the two were put together after the finish was applied although I don't know if this was a standard production method for these early GABs.
I've highlighted a couple of spots on one of the pics where you can see where the finish has worn through on the high points. The darker colour is the base metal of the badge whilst the more gold appearing areas are the applied finish.Comment
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Im still not convinced about the bronze Gab
there are 2 options for me
1: the silver gab is polished to the basemetal (wich looks like bronze)
2: the silver gab is refinnished with a bronze finnish
but still I dont believe in the production fault or genuine bronze class
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