Rare Badge Photos

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Last is the new images of the GB 50 in silver.

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My take on the new pictures is:
The semi-hollow is original. Has everything I would look for in an original , and excellent condition on top.
The GB 50 is a bit of an enigma. I like it very much- detail, acorns, finish, rivets, catch are right on with known originals. The bad part is the hinge and pin- they are nothing like used on originals. Probably a good badge, but one I would never buy. best wishes,
jeff

[Jeff V]

On the LCTB I noticed the hardware is very much like the Frank & Reif and Mayer. best wishes,
jeff

[Anthony]

Hello John,

Thanks for posting further pics for review.

GB 50 this looks fine to me, the acorns, Eagles feet and other points are how they should be, (as per the long thread already discussed on the Forum and again just recently ) it does have a different set up with the pin, which if it has not been replaced, (and it does not look like it) is just that , A DIFFERENT SET UP , so at the moment we could say that it is a type 1 and correct with a different set up, there are probably more like this around, just not seen at the moment.

LCTB I am not an expert on this badge and do not own one, it is not a type that is known or pictured in any book or collection that we know of BUT, the setup is identical to the later style so called PORSCHE PAB and the so called PORSCHE IAB, which you would then think that if this LCTB was not a good piece, then all the PORCHE badges must not be good as well, just a bit of logic there.

The badge also looks like it is Nickel Silver which is another good sign, this is probably made by Juncker, and only time will tell if there is another one around, or it was a test piece or something else.

Just my thoughts.

Regards,

Anthony

[andrewb]

Hi Guys.

Just a Q regarding the CLTB.
Were they ever made in 800 silver by junker with a solid back?

i.e. like the Imperial OB. sunrays pattern?

[mmiller]

Hi John, et. al.,

If you guys are convinced it is original, I have no problem with that. Personally, I would not want to purchase that type of Condor Legion Tank Badge. I will repeat my earlier comments in that it matches no known accepted originals. The better references (at least) do not show this type of Condor Legion Tank Badge. No period photos I have seen reveal the (die) connection between the skull and the turret. Very easy to spot in a photo. All that we are doing here is providing pictures of one badge. How can that be used to authenticate any badge. Compare it to itself?

How many 3R manufacturers got involved in making a die, and producing a badge issued to less than 500 soldiers? If you go back and read the dozens upon dozens of threads about the Condor Legion Tank Badge, the believed badges were made by 1) Schickle, 2) [in Portugal by] F. B. Da Costa, and by 3) Wernstein. (The hinge mechanism has the "dimpled" effect at the bottom similar to that one seen on Wernstein-marked badges.)

Page upon page of analysis by Gordon Williamson, Prosper Keating, W.C.Stump, Yuri, Jacques, Bryan, and other knowledgable LC collectors, scutinized these badges in minute detail. If now we are including Frank & Reif, Mayer, 'Porsche', and Juncker, then we are sheading AMAZING FINDINGS on this badge. You have just overturned the CLTB applecart.

I honestly think that a new thread should be started in the Luftwaffe Forum with this unique badge.

Regards,
Mark

On the LCTB I noticed the hardware is very much like the Frank & Reif and Mayer. best wishes,
jeff

the setup is identical to the later style so called PORSCHE PAB and the so called PORSCHE IAB, which you would then think that if this LCTB was not a good piece, then all the PORCHE badges must not be good as well, just a bit of logic there.

The badge also looks like it is Nickel Silver which is another good sign, this is probably made by Juncker, and only time will tell if there is another one around, or it was a test piece or something else.


Anthony

[Jeff V]

Hi Mark, I understand what you are saying, and I think you are overreacting a little bit here. I have no idea whether the LCTB is original, and I would definately not buy it, as it does not conform to the "wernstein" style that I am comfortable with. I just mentioned that to me the hardware looks like what can be found on Mayer and Frank & Reif assault badges. I never said that Mayer or Frank& Reif was the manufacturer. best wishes,
jeff

[mmiller]

Good Morning Jeff,

I hear you. Yeh, well, over reacting is my style, and it usually gets me in trouble!

I wasn't sure whether you were alluding to other manufacturers making this badge. My error.

Regards,
Mark

Hi Mark, I understand what you are saying, and I think you are overreacting a little bit here. I have no idea whether the LCTB is original, and I would definately not buy it, as it does not conform to the "wernstein" style that I am comfortable with. I just mentioned that to me the hardware looks like what can be found on Mayer and Frank & Reif assault badges. I never said that Mayer or Frank& Reif was the manufacturer. best wishes,
jeff