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    Interested in tackling the GB numbered PAB's?

    Hi Guys,

    Well anybody who spend some time on this forum by now is fully aware of how controversial Hollow numbered GB grade II and III really are.

    Most collectors simply don't touch them because they heared the wildest rumours. Taking a look at older threads it indeed is a rather common phenomenon that when ever a GB gets posted somebody steps in allerting the community to how good the fakes really are.

    What I couldn't find in any of those threads is some information about how to distinguish between a good an a bad badge or even information on what makes a GB original.

    So I think it's about time that everybody comes out of the closet and that we try to tackle this once and for all. The fakes of these badges indeed are numerous and by participating in this thread chances are real that you will learn that your badge is one of them.

    However look at it from the bright side if we succeed, this thread will contain enough information to once and for all distinguish between good and bad.

    There is only one think I would like to ask from everybody who's willing to play the game. These badge are so tricky that it will only be possible to evalute them if you are able to share very detailed scan or pictures and have the tools to take accurate measurements. If this isn't the case please don't post because it will only confuse things.

    I now could start by posting a few badges and ask for opinions but I rather would like to do this differently.

    I'll start by posting a silver GB 50 from my collection that IMO is 100% original.

    The questions are the following.

    1. Do you have a badge that matches this badge? (25/50)
    2. Do you have a GB in your collection that doesn't match this badge but that you are sure/think/can proof is original?
    3. You know that my 50 is a copie and are able to proof this by posting an original and point out the differences.

    So lets see who wins this the fakers or the collectors. Only by participating and sharing info do the later stand a chance here

    KR
    Philippe
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    Last edited by Philippe DB; 07-02-2006, 09:13 AM.

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    reverse
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      #3
      Dear Phil,
      When you will have a time, could you please post side pictures of the hinge (in open and close position). Also, is it possible for you to post scan from the top part of the hinge (could be taken in the same position as on the reverse picture, but in larger resolution – especially I would like to see top surface of the pin).

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        #4
        Philippe,
        I would love to be a player in this game, if only I had one to share.

        Chet
        Zinc stinks!

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          #5
          Dear Robert

          Here you go

          Hinge
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            #6
            pin marks
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              #7
              catch
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                #8
                Originally posted by Philippe DB
                Dear Robert

                Here you go

                Hinge
                Great Phil, this will help us for the long run, if other guys can keep the same pictures format as yours, then it would be great. Even without holding these badges in our hands, we should be able to draw some conclusions based on good pictures. I hope this will get more people involved.

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                  #9
                  Here is example posted by Larry Lips (I hope it is OK with you Larry if i will post your pictures here).

                  Originally posted by Larry Lipps
                  The wreath on this one is 59.969 mm by 44.323 mm with the overall width being 46.563mm. The number box is 7.760mm wide. The weight is 24.7 grams.






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                    #10
                    ...and 2 more from Bob Hritz (I hope it is ok with you Bob as well, that i'm posting these pictures):

                    Originally posted by Bob Hritz
                    Measurements:

                    Silver: Height 62.17 mm
                    Wreath width 44.65 mm
                    Overall width 47.73 mm

                    Bronze: Height 61.10
                    Wreath width 44.75 mm
                    Overall width 46.34 mm


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                      #11
                      I remember a telling sign of originality was found on reverse and from pictures I can't see it-is this still in play???

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chet Sowersby
                        Philippe,
                        I would love to be a player in this game, if only I had one to share.

                        Chet
                        Me too, but of the G.B. style all I can post is a fake .

                        Best,
                        Greg
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                          #13
                          Ok Based upon the quality of the pics of Bob's example there is nothing to tell because you simply can't see what you need to see.

                          Larry pics are better so lets start with this one. Ideal we need better shots yet to take a look at the details but for now just this thought

                          Who thinks Larry's badge features this claw detail
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                            #14
                            or this accorn detail.

                            Larry if your arround I would very much appreciate your input on these details. Are they the same on your badge?
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Philippe DB
                              Who thinks Larry's badge features this claw detail
                              These details are not present there, as well as extra material between swastika right arms...

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