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    #31
    Hi Tom,

    Yep I'm very well aware of those FLL metamorphosises. The late war hollow IAB's indeed proof that they were made after the crimped in examples but here you could argue that they made the switch to safe yet more material.

    Anyway I don't think I know a lot of makers that started out with hollow production, then switched to massive production (produced an abundance of variants on the theme when it come to IAB's) only to switch back to hollow production again.

    The point that makes your theory acceptable to me and not in contradiction whith what I like to believe is that you underline that the FLL CCC production at best was launched in 1943, indeed a time frame in which crimping would have been in use. I can only imagine that, in line with other makers, their crimping reverse die didn't last all the way either and they were forced to create a second one to continue CCC production with new reverse hardware.

    KR
    Philippe

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      #32
      Originally posted by Philippe DB
      Hi Tom,
      The point that makes your theory acceptable to me and not in contradiction whith what I like to believe is that you underline that the FLL CCC production at best was launched in 1943, indeed a time frame in which crimping would have been in use.
      KR
      Philippe
      Hi Philippe,

      That fact along with the grenade die-flaw are problematic for your scenario.

      In the end, I think calling one clasp a 1st pattern vs. 2nd pattern is more of a way to distinguish different types of clasps more so than fitting them into a perfect timeframe.

      I am struggling with these nomenclature issues with my CCC book. JFS & FLLs have a consistant 1st pattern and 2nd pattern which has become pretty well accepted in our community. Others, which are a lot less known like the RS and Juncker variations have 2 or 3 different configurations, with no real way to determine 1st, 2nd or 3rd patterns.

      My choice would be to identify each of these patterns as a 1st, 2nd or 3rd pattern based on the available evidence so we can easily identify them in forum discussions and tend to be more descriptive than describing them as type 3.5.1 vs 3.5.3. In my book I have chosen to call describe each type of clasp by number (3.5.1) as well as by name (1st pattern FLL). I hope the powers that be will like this way of doing it as well .

      Tom D.
      If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

      New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
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        #33
        Originally posted by tdurante
        My choice would be to identify each of these patterns as a 1st, 2nd or 3rd pattern based on the available evidence so we can easily identify them in forum discussions and tend to be more descriptive than describing them as type 3.5.1 vs 3.5.3. In my book I have chosen to call describe each type of clasp by number (3.5.1) as well as by name (1st pattern FLL). I hope the powers that be will like this way of doing it as well .
        Tom,
        Shouldn't you keep some information’s "off the forum", so we are all going to have more reasons to buy your book?...

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          #34
          Originally posted by robert60446
          Tom,
          Shouldn't you keep some information’s "off the forum", so we are all going to have more reasons to buy your book?...
          Don't you worry Robert, there will be plenty of other things revealed in the book, I got lots up my sleeve . Good thing about CCCs is that there isn't too much information out there and I think people are ravenous for a good reference book on the subject. I also think threads like this actually spark interest in the CCC and make people interested in learning about them/purchasing one (fingers and toes crossed .)

          Tom D.
          If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

          New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
          [/SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
          Available Now - tmdurante@gmail.com

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            #35
            Originally posted by tdurante
            Don't you worry Robert, there will be plenty of other things revealed in the book, I got lots up my sleeve . Good thing about CCCs is that there isn't too much information out there and I think people are ravenous for a good reference book on the subject. I also think threads like this actually spark interest in the CCC and make people interested in learning about them/purchasing one (fingers and toes crossed .)
            Tom, With all my heart I hope your book will be a success!...

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