His and....His Porsches

[WalterB]

I would love to see any period documentation that the Porsche concern made Third Reich badges. In fact, my friend, who is a Porsche dealer asked who would make this atatement on a public forum. I pointed him to this thread. He was very upset, as was his distributor. Perhaps Porsche will post to somehow rectify this unfortunate smear on their company.

Bob Hritz

I am sorry, perhaps you are saying this with tongue in cheek. But why on earth would it be a smear on the company?!? Porsche was certainly involved in producing more destructive items during WWII (such as tank parts). Why would it be worse if it produced some awards?

[robert60446]

I would love to see any period documentation that the Porsche concern made Third Reich badges. In fact, my friend, who is a Porsche dealer asked who would make this atatement on a public forum. I pointed him to this thread. He was very upset, as was his distributor. Perhaps Porsche will post to somehow rectify this unfortunate smear on their company.

Bob Hritz

Bob,
It is just a nickname...
As far as being upset, I guess Porsche stays no chance in denying connections and contributions to the Hitler’s military machine…right?
If both gentlemen’s would pay attention to the history lessons they would learn that their company was heavily involved in tanks not cars production during WWII. For example, during Battle of the Bulge the same tanks were used to kill our GI’s with deadly accuracy. IMO, there is really nothing to be upset about it on their part…

[Thomas Durante]

The only reason Philippe coined this term, is that this type PAB is the best in quality and design of all PABs encountered, thus the "Porsche" of PABs.

They should be flattered.

Tom D.

[Graeme]

Sounds like a wind up to me.

Tell them to get a life and to worry about important things in life..

cheers
Graeme

[Panzer Rob]

I would love to see any period documentation that the Porsche concern made Third Reich badges. In fact, my friend, who is a Porsche dealer asked who would make this atatement on a public forum. I pointed him to this thread. He was very upset, as was his distributor. Perhaps Porsche will post to somehow rectify this unfortunate smear on their company.

Bob Hritz

Bob-

While they might have not designed badges, Porsche was definitely responsible for some of the Wehrmacht's most famous military vehicles.

Honestly, I find it extremely disturbing that anyone employed by Porsche would be so ignorant as to not be educated in the company’s history. Almost as annoying as those rich, ignorant badge whores who account for more than half the company's anual sales

In December of 1945, Ferdinand Porsche was imprisoned in Dijon, France, by the French for "war crimes" (basically designing and providing war material/machines to the German military) Ferdinand's son was able to raise his 500,000 franc bail buy designing and building the Type 360 Cisistalia and Ferdinand was freed from prison in 1947, in very poor health I might ad. He died shortly thereafter in January of 1951.

You can let your friend know that Porsche was responsible for aiding in the design of, amongst other things, the:

Ferdinand /Elefant tank destroyer
Kubelwagen
Schwimmwagen

He also designed a prototype for the Tiger I (which subsequently served as the chassis for the Ferdinand/Elefant) and, technically speaking – along with Hitler himself - was basically responsible for the birth of Volkswagen http://www.germanculture.com.ua/libr.../aa060600a.htm

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen

By the way, I have pictures of THE type 360 (which was on display in the Stuttgart Porsche museum back when I visited there in 2003) so if anyone here is interested in seeing them just let me know and I will gladly post them.

Talk about a piece of automotive history!

[greg.hays]

Sounds like a wind up to me.

Tell them to get a life and to worry about important things in life..

cheers
Graeme

Amen.............they really do need to get a life .

[Philippe DB]

I would love to see any period documentation that the Porsche concern made Third Reich badges. In fact, my friend, who is a Porsche dealer asked who would make this atatement on a public forum. I pointed him to this thread. He was very upset, as was his distributor. Perhaps Porsche will post to somehow rectify this unfortunate smear on their company.

Bob Hritz

Well Bob your nickname for sure isn't "Speedy Gonzalez". What took you so long to alert your Porsche dealer friend, we're refering to this badge as "The Porsche badgfes" for the last 4 years. If you read other post on the subject you will find at least a dozen of them explaining that this is a nickname and Porsche had nothing to do what so ever with their production. It seems to me that everybody but you understood this by now .

Don't now maybe you also have a Cadillac dealer friend. You might want to alert him to because at least one member on this forum won't stop reffering to these badges as "Cadillac badges"

KR
Philippe

PS: While your at it please ask them if I can keep using my avatar Ok although Porsche created it I supose I have to inform at my local VW dealer

[VonLuger]

Bob don't forget as a Porsche Auto-Philippe is also a client

[Philippe DB]

Bob don't forget as a Porsche Auto-Philippe is also a client

Correct Jeff but as long as I drive a 911 somehow I never felt the need to discuss the Porsche PAB with my dealer. Call me a weirdo but it just never crossed my mind

You don't supose Bob's Porsche dealer friend collects Nazi stuff. Now that would make some people mad in Zuffenhausen.

KR
Philippe

[VonLuger]

you said it Philippe

[Panzer Rob]

Philippe-

Easy no need to get too worked up. I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding on Bob's end. 95% of people I talk to about "Porsch" - they always leave the e ("ah") off the end - are completely unaware of the history of its origins or its involvement with the German military, Hitler and the birth of the Volkswagen. Understandable, as it's not something they're extremely proud of and, for obvious reasons, like to keep it on the down-low.

Furthermore, Bob is also one of the most experienced and highly respected veteran collectors here at WAF, and I'm pretty sure his post wasn't intended to purposely ruffle any feathers.

As a VW (5) and AUDI (2) owner and certified Porschephile (0, but not for long ) I find it extremely annoying that anyone actually employed by Porsche - especially a sales person or even worse the owner of a actual dealership - would not take the time to research the history of the company. Chances are they probably know as much (little!) about the actual product


Rob

P.S. I'd love to see pics of your Porsche (car, not badges )

Well Bob your nickname for sure isn't "Speedy Gonzalez". What took you so long to alert your Porsche dealer friend, we're refering to this badge as "The Porsche badgfes" for the last 4 years. If you read other post on the subject you will find at least a dozen of them explaining that this is a nickname and Porsche had nothing to do what so ever with their production. It seems to me that everybody but you understood this by now .

Don't now maybe you also have a Cadillac dealer friend. You might want to alert him to because at least one member on this forum won't stop reffering to these badges as "Cadillac badges"

KR
Philippe

PS: While your at it please ask them if I can keep using my avatar Ok although Porsche created it I supose I have to inform at my local VW dealer

[Panzer Rob]

...and so this thread doens't go TOO far off-topic, Greg: absoultely stunning bronze IAB my friend

[greg.hays]

Thanks very much Rob........she's a definite new favorite .

As a side, if anyone is interested in learning a bit more about the side excursion this thread made there is an excellent article in this months WWII magazine. It details more of Porsche's involvement in WWII military vehicle design and manufacturing. Even mentions the Fallersleben factory and forced labor ect...pretty good info

[Panzer Rob]

As a side, if anyone is interested in learning a bit more about the side excursion this thread made there is an excellent article in this months WWII magazine. It details more of Porsche's involvement in WWII military vehicle design and manufacturing. Even mentions the Fallersleben factory and forced labor ect...pretty good info

Really??? Thanks for the info! I'll definitely be picking up a copy

Rob

[Frank Heukemes]

As one who was against this nickname from the start, I can understand the confusion it causes. Still, let's not overreact, it is just a nickname (for "quality") and surely cannot hurt anybody. It helped to define an otherwise unknown maker. Still, I would prefer for the future that we only use nicknames which are obvious as such (like "Rocky" PAB) to avoid confusion.

"Siemens" PAB and "IG Farben"-finish would not be the right way to go, to make myself more clear.

I would take a bet that after my PAB book gets published and the "Porsche" will be shown as "unknown maker X.XX", I will be approached by some who will tell me: "but it was already identified, it was made by Porsche!"

Wanna bet?