Legion Condor Tank Badge - The Silver Test Results

[WBallok]

I am very relaxed. Alik makes very good points. There is no point in trying to educate those who wish not to be educated. You are the ones that are not relaxed because you keep trying to show that your badges are like the one in the catalog when they are far from this. Hope you enjoyed the football game. Do you collect football cards?

Bill

[walter h]

The rehabilitation of fakes, not only in this case, but others, is a disturbing trend. Logic would dictate that marked differences from originals, or in this case the catalog photo, would allow one to come to an obvious conclusion. However, desperate attempts to convince others that these marked differences are not real simply comes across as desperate. If we are to be objective and evaluate the badge itself, one can clearly see that this badge is not the Otto Shickle badge in the catalog. If one cannot produce a badge that matches the photo/drawing in the catalog, that simply dictates that the actual Otto Shickle badge has not been found. As noted in the thread, we do have a template in the catalog photo with which to be able to identify that piece. Further, comparison with that photo, which is presumed genuine, shows us that pieces which deviate from that image are not Otto Shickle badges. The inability to produce an authentic Otto Shickle badge that matches the catalog photo does not, by individual fiat, make a fake piece real, despite earlier contentions. An analgous situation would be to declare the coffee cup in my hand to be the Holy Grail, as no one has yet to produce the original grail. Perhaps we should keep looking for originals and check for a match with the catalog.

[Brian S]

Sad beyond belief that you two who could have been such a benefit to this hobby but instead apply your hatred of me in this thread with such nonsense wrapped in photos and opinions. That you two would put a personal vendetta directed at me above this hobby speaks volumes to your characters. Saddens me and yes frightens me that you two can hate this much. And yes, I know who you both are. Not surprised at our very own corn husker, but given the "let's be friends" PM I got from the other on the other forum surprises me a bit that nothing is real that comes from his pen. You've reached a new low guys.

[Brian S]

In spite of personal attacks made on me by formerly expelled and suspended members, here's your last look boys.

[Brian S]

back.

[Brian S]

Except for hand finishing, which is evident, tank is exactly the same.

[Brian S]

Skull is the same.

[Frank Heukemes]

Brian,

Can you show a scan/photograph of this quality of the pin and the silver mark in detail?

[Brian S]

Yes, Frank. In the spirit of doing what's right for the hobby.

[Frank Heukemes]

Thanks!

[WBallok]

I hate nobody but this badge is still not the same as the one in the catalog. Walter H made a good point about the new efforts to convince people that fakes are originals. Now the fakers and dealers stop for a time to try to introduce new "variants" and put energy into promoting existing high level fakes as "misunderstood originals". We got to feed that demand with a supply! I want to see an Otto Schickle LCTB. Strange that nobody can show a LCTB that looks exactly like the catalog. Maybe Brian S and Alex badges are originals and catalog is fake? Advice to people wishing to own LCTB: buy recognised originals!

Bill

[Bob Hritz]

I think it is important to understand the catalog photo. This is a retouched photo and is done with a dot matrix for printing purposes. Also, the black background photo has the black painted in, on the transparency. This results in slightly different wreath patterns between the 2 illustrations. If you take 3 photos of any badge, it would be likely that the badge would look different in each photo. Slight angles, shadows and lighting can make the same badge appear very different.

I cannot comment on the match, with the catalog photos, but the badge illustrated in the catalog photos also shows disparity between the 2 catalog images.

A good professional photographer could take a badge and the original photo and make the exact shot to tell if the badges are photographically the same, or different.

Bob Hritz

[Brian S]

edited by Frank Heukemes: innocent until proven guilty!


Mr. Hritz, thank God for a little sanity on this forum. Thank you and of course you are absolutely correct.

[Gaspare]

In keeping to the name of the topic,,,,


"*Fact- two different tests showed two different results, so there is no definitive answer there, only benchmarks for others to compare with*".


The badge is marked 800,yes?!. That is because the bullion bought by the badge manufactuer was 800..It would never be higher than lets say 825..This is the precious metal trade we're talking about, they would never sell 800 that had a silver content higher than 825, period..

You file a deep notch in the piece you want tested because in the final process of the badge there was 'pickling' done. The process causes the surface testing to be of a higher grade silver because it slightly reduces the alloying metals and other impurities at the surface.
Make the file notch first! then do the testing on the area below the surface whether chemical or of a rub of under the surface ..Do the test 10 times and you'll get 10 of the same results.., G.

[WBallok]

The surface details of the badges shown by Alex and Brian S are not the same as the catalog images. But if you prefer to believe otherwise then so be it.

Bill