Legion Condor Tank Badge - The Silver Test Results

[jacques]

So when the OKH decided to legitimize the badge, they must for sure have consulted with Ritter von Thoma to see who qualified for the badge. Some men must have lost their badges. Others had broken badges. Some men for sure might not have received the badge in Spain but were later ajudged to be entitled to it.
So why would the OKH not command some badges to make sure every man got a new badge, all the same? Why does the document say "Der Panzertruppenabzeichen der Legion Condor in Silber"? There was only one class. But the Panzerkampfabzeichen had two classes. It is clear, if we employ logic, that the OKH maybe was thinking of making a Bronze class. They were thinking of making LCTBs when they composed the Bestizzeugnis.
Jacques is a serious collector but even he came here to tell us that LC Pz veterans were not awarded any badges by the OKH. But he has has no evidence. It is only his opinion. I cannot prove that they were given badges by the OKH. Maybe the veterans made a mistake. But they were there and we were not there and back in the 60's and 70's they were not so old! They had clear memories.
Bill

Hi,
As I said, it is only my opinion based on pics and dedcution, and as I'm open minded I'm ready to follow your opinion concerning the post-1940 awarding of this badge. I admit that a picture showing the badge awarded post 1940, during a ceremony in a PZ regiment totally should convince me definitivly. I didn't have think to this hypothesis before this thread.
If you have any pics to share of this badge worn, please do not hesitate.
Here is another picture, taken in France in 1940. this officer is wearing what I think to be what you call the second variant Lisbon made Pz badge. indeed , several pics show the 1st type badge sewn, undoubtly because a broken pin.
jacques

[Bob Hritz]

To further muddy the waters, I have posted 3 stickpins. The two, rather crude looking pieces are both marked 900. The larger piece is well made and marked L/21.

Bob hritz

[Bob Hritz]

Verso: stickpins

[walter h]

I agree with Bill. There must be an Otto Shickle LCTB, as it appears in the catalog. The piece posted in this thread bears no resemblence to the piece in the photo/drawing from the catalog. Therefore by definition it would not be an Otto Shickle. Because no one can produce a LCTB that matches the catalog badge does not mean that, by default, a badge bearing little resemblence to the catalog badge is an Otto Shickle.

[Brian S]

I agree with Bill. There must be an Otto Shickle LCTB, as it appears in the catalog. The piece posted in this thread bears no resemblence to the piece in the photo/drawing from the catalog. Therefore by definition it would not be an Otto Shickle. Because no one can produce a LCTB that matches the catalog badge does not mean that, by default, a badge bearing little resemblence to the catalog badge is an Otto Shickle.

Hello "walter h". You are in good company, Pieter, Dave. You fit right in. Welcome. Or should I say, "welcome back".

[Brian S]

Awfully quiet here, maybe "walter h" will find an Otto Schickle LCTB in the corn. Eh Walter? Anyone got an Otto Schickle to show us? What's it look like? Come on experts. Pieter, Dave Kane, Frank? No Otto Shickles? You just know what they DO NOT look like and my oh my, it isn't mine. Ha, what bull. You marginalize yourselves and this site people.

[Frank Heukemes]

Brian, let's be brutal: I think we all do not care about this topic anymore. All has been said and shown. We can pick up the discussion again when new facts are on the table.

[robert60446]

Hi guys,
Very interesting thread! I can feel a lot of heat here. Just to calm the things down a little bit, here is my “mid war” version of the LC PAB…

[Sal Williams]

Awfully quiet here, maybe "walter h" will find an Otto Schickle LCTB in the corn. Eh Walter? Anyone got an Otto Schickle to show us? What's it look like? Come on experts. Pieter, Dave Kane, Frank? No Otto Shickles? You just know what they DO NOT look like and my oh my, it isn't mine. Ha, what bull. You marginalize yourselves and this site people.

Brian,
I do not follow your logic on this one
If there is a pic of something that is said to be an original pic, then if none of the badges that various folks have match it wouldn't we conclude we have not seen one of the type in the pic yet?

best, Sal

[anguspm]

Late in the day but one thing I haven´t seen yet is a badge with the "vein" that comes out of the side of the left eye then doubles back beneath it as is clearly shown in the catalogue. In the catalogue this appears to be a major feature and is clearly shown as a raised line.....

[AZartman]

Late in the day but one thing I haven´t seen yet is a badge with the "vein" that comes out of the side of the left eye then doubles back beneath it as is clearly shown in the catalogue. In the catalogue this appears to be a major feature and is clearly shown as a raised line.....

Here you go.

[AZartman]

close up

[WBallok]

What part of "your badges are not the same as the badge in the Otto Schickle catalog" do Brian S and AZartman not understand? Time to be more brutal! Your badges are fakes and you are in denial.

Bill

[AZartman]

What part of "your badges are not the same as the badge in the Otto Schickle catalog" do Brian S and AZartman not understand? Time to be more brutal! Your badges are fakes and you are in denial.

Bill

I'm sorry you seem so upset that I am of a different opinion, Bill.

I have refrained throughout these many threads from being "brutal", "nasty" or hurling any such comments at anyone else despite some vehement debate. What I did do was keep my comments civil throughout the discussions, something other's have veered from now and then.

Second, I have never claimed mine to be original, but I am willing to keep an open mind about it. As Frank said until new information comes to light IMO I'm not going to toss it out. If that bother's you, tough.

If I choose to address anguspm's comment I am perfectly entitled to do so. I happen to clearly see that feature on mine and will point it out regardless of what you think.

So relax. There is a good football game on now. GO SKINS! Oh and I leave for Lake Tahoe in an hour to relax myself, so I'll look forward to the "more brutal" reponses upon my return next week.

Alex

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[AlikN]

If your badges would came out from the Otto S. dies, they would have the same die flaws, but what I see here is casting flaws,
Your badges are cast and not by Otto S.