I picked up my second one of these babies and I noticed something interesting. The fronts are nice and all.....
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But the really interesting stuff is going on on the reverse. Look at how the finish has aged on these. Since I doubt they were stored exactly the same way and in the same environment to cause this I believe it must have something to do with how the finish was applied. Perhaps sprayed on in a horizontal fashion?
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Nah, it's just a sign that both those are fake!
My pillow crimp looks like that on the reverse as well; will have to show it from home tonight.
Great PABs! The crimps always look so nice, you have to wonder if quality control rejected them if the fitter happened to slip and hit the crimping tool at an angle...
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Don,
All that I have seen (maybe six total) plus mine have been the same. I have seen one bronze and it pretty much showed the same discoloration pattern on the reverse.
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Nice compare Don, and a good point. Ageing patterns are a bit like fingerprints of a maker and bullet proof features to distinguish between good and bad if you know what patterns to look for.
KR
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That was my thought also Philippe.
Donpseudo-expertComment
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What I would like to really know about these nice "crimp" badges is, how in the hell these guys created their backs with this crimped hardware? I can guess, but maybe someone can tell us how it was done without guessing?Comment
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Hi Robert,
Well at least there is one thing this type of pillow crimped badges learn us. Crimping the set-up in to position was done after the badges received there finish.
KR
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Hi Philippe,Originally posted by Philippe DB
My best guess is that the rear side of the badge was created with open crimps. Then, after applying the finish, the worker was placing the hardware inside the crimps and by using the force, hinge and catch were secured inside the crimp nests…Is this makes any sense to you guys?
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Sounds logical but how did they crimp it without damaging the obverse? It had to take some pressure to do the crimp.
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Don,Originally posted by ddoering
The “crimp” areas walls are not that thick at all. By using just a piece of wood and hammer it should be easy to accomplish. Wood leaves no marks…
But it is the theory only. I cannot prove it…
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I had the good fortune
of receiving a pillow-crimp IAB with a messy repaired catch. I repaired the catch and here are photos of the crimping assembly. It is really a very simple design with a raised, rectangular recessed area. The c-hook is soldered to a rectangular plate that fits into the recess. The actual crimping flaps are very narrow, thin strip of metal flashing that simply bend over the hook plate to keep it in. Probably a very unsophisticated set of hard rubber pliers would do the job without damaging the badge.
Originally posted by robert60446Visit my Badge Collection: http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/home.htmlComment
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Great info Lorenzo! Many thanksOriginally posted by Lorenzo BrownI had the good fortune of receiving a pillow-crimp IAB with a messy repaired catch. I repaired the catch and here are photos of the crimping assembly. It is really a very simple design with a raised, rectangular recessed area. The c-hook is soldered to a rectangular plate that fits into the recess. The actual crimping flaps are very narrow, thin strip of metal flashing that simply bend over the hook plate to keep it in. Probably a very unsophisticated set of hard rubber pliers would do the job without damaging the badge.
! Damn i was close!
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Regarding crimped set-ups......
......it makes sense as far as simplification goes. I would venture that the more skilled workers, in badge production, were siphoned off to work in other, more necessary areas of war production. So when it became necessary to use less skilled workers in badge production factories that did not possess the ablility to do the job of soldering(or have time or teachers for them to learn to do so) it follows that simplified methods needed to be developed to compensate......especially since badges still needed to be awarded.
What Lorenzo has added about the thinness of the crimping is evident as follows: You'll see, in the accompanying image that the mere pressure of opening the pin was enough to put a dent in the crimp. As well as when closing it. The thinness is very evident by eye and more pronounced under magnification.
This specifically applies, as pictured of course, to the oval type 'pillow', but I wouldn't see how the flashing would be any thicker for the other styles of 'pillow' crimps used in securing mounting hardware on badges.
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Bruce
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