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    #16
    Thanks guys!

    I don't have the badges myself, they belong to a friend but I will ask for better photos of the two 25 badges and measurements of the PAB.

    I'll post them ASAP.

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      #17
      The 25 PAB measures 62mm x 46mm

      Here are some extra photos of the 25 numbered badges. General assault badge (1).JPG General assault badge (4).JPG General assault badge (5).JPG General assault badge (7).JPG General assault badge (8).JPG Panzer assault badge (2).JPG Panzer assault badge (4).JPG Panzer assault badge (5).JPG Panzer assault badge (6).JPG Panzer assault badge (7).JPG

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        #18
        PAB25 = good Juncker
        GAB25 = fake Juncker
        GAB = good Deumer
        Condor PAB = fake
        IAB JFS = good
        IAB silver = good Meybauer
        PAB silver without set up = good S&L
        PAB bronze UU = good Wiedmann
        Army flak = good S&L
        Heeres BF = piece of crap


        A lovely selection of pieces to test the collector
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          #19
          Originally posted by Giel VW View Post
          PAB25 = good Juncker
          GAB25 = fake Juncker
          GAB = good Deumer
          Condor PAB = fake
          IAB JFS = good
          IAB silver = good Meybauer
          PAB silver without set up = good S&L
          PAB bronze UU = good Wiedmann
          Army flak = good S&L
          Heeres BF = piece of crap


          A lovely selection of pieces to test the collector
          I like to keep you guys on your toes , thanks Giel mate

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            #20
            Those measurements are a little small Dave. I am posting a picture of a textbook Juncker 25 number box. It is believed that all the Juncker number boxes are magnetic. The badge you have shown looks to have a non magnetic zinc number box. I like the hardware on the badge but the lack of detail, number box, and small measurements are too many red flags on the PAB 25. It is one I would pass on.
            Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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              #21
              the picture of a textbook Juncker number box
              Attached Files
              Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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                #22
                Hmm ok, bit of a disagreement on the PAB 25. I'll ask my friend if the number box is magnetic or not.

                Thanks Jeff.

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                  #23
                  Hi Dave, when I first looked at the badge it was original no problem. The closer I looked the less I like it. It still might be original but it is not a textbook one looker IMO.
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                    #24
                    My friend has informed me that the PAB25 numbered box is indeed non magnetic.

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                      #25
                      Hi Dave, thanks for that info. Not a good sign. If the measurements were right on and the acorns looked better I could overlook the fake number box. With small measurements, fake number box and poor detailing it looks like this badge is a very well made fake IMO.
                      Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Jeff V View Post
                        Hi Dave, thanks for that info. Not a good sign. If the measurements were right on and the acorns looked better I could overlook the fake number box. With small measurements, fake number box and poor detailing it looks like this badge is a very well made fake IMO.
                        That is disappointing. I shall inform my friend.

                        Thanks again Jeff

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                          #27
                          Hi guys,

                          Dave, thanks for the better pics of the # badges, no doubt the GAB 25 is a fake, reverse hardware setup is the big red flag with this one.

                          I still feel good about the PAB 25, dimensions are slightly smaller as Jeff says but they are within tolerance of "measurement variations" between two different collectors with two different sets of calipers. The number box is questinable for sure, but everything else looks spot on for a Juncker PAB so I would lend on the side of original.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Thomas Durante View Post
                            Hi guys,

                            Dave, thanks for the better pics of the # badges, no doubt the GAB 25 is a fake, reverse hardware setup is the big red flag with this one.

                            I still feel good about the PAB 25, dimensions are slightly smaller as Jeff says but they are within tolerance of "measurement variations" between two different collectors with two different sets of calipers. The number box is questinable for sure, but everything else looks spot on for a Juncker PAB so I would lend on the side of original.

                            Tom
                            Thanks Tom!

                            My friend measured the badge with a ruler rather than calipers so I doubt the measurements are "dead on" anyway.

                            Thanks to all that took the time to reply on this thread, I greatly appreciate it.

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