I have received a second -and it seems final- answer from Herr Nimmergut upon my further questions. Basically, at the time he answered with this second mail, he knew all the info I shared here on the forum.
Again, here is his answer in unchanged form first before I try to translate:
Sehr geehrter Herr Heukemes,
zuerst sollte ich wohl richtig stellen, dass die erste Zuordnung der Marke Wernstein mit dem Zeichen nicht von mir stammt. Die Liste hat Bowen von mir, ich habe sie in den 70er Jahren von einem ernsthaften Sammler (leider schon verstorben) bekommen. Damals waren das noch keine Allerweltslisten sondern "Kongowissen", das eisern gehütet wurde. Immerhin wäre es denkbar, dass Wernstein erst nach seinem LDO-Beitritt die Marke geführt hat, das würde die Exemplare in den blauen Tüten ggf. erklären. Ich bin seit Januar 2005 im Ruhestand und kann solchen Fragen leider nicht mehr nachgehen, auch müsste man wohl alle Marken überprüfen. Das ist bisher m.W. nicht geschehen. Ihnen wünsche ich viel Erfolg bei dieser Arbeit und verbleibe mit freundlichen Grüßen Jörg Nimmergut
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Dear Mr. Heukemes,
First of all, let me rectify that it was not me who assigned this mark (he means the ÜÜ mark) to Wernstein for the first time. Bowen received the list from me, but I had received it in the seventies from a very dedicated collector, who has passed away in the meantime. Back then, these lists have not been common knowledge, but rather "jungle secrets", which were adamantly herded. I think it could be possible, that Wernstein used that mark only after it joined the LDO, which would account for the badges in the blue packets. I am retired since January 2005 and cannot attend to such questions anymore, I think all marks should be checked. This has to my knowledge not yet happened. I wish you success with that task and remain with regards Jörg Nimmergut.
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Ok, so what do we make of that? Let me point out the most important things:
-the assignment of the ÜÜ mark to Wernstein was made by an unnamed, deceased collector, who gave the list to Nimmergut in the seventies. Not as we assumed by Klietmann or Nimmergut, let alone Bowen. But we knew that this list had modern type writer font, or didn`t we?
-his explanation about the badges in the blue packets does not hold water. The GABs in those packets are mid to late war badges and by no means earlier than the ÜÜ badges, which are also mid to late war. And why should Wernstein suddenly have changed its GAB design, setup, basically everything when it joined the LDO?
-his remark that ALL marks should be checked, which he thinks has not been done yet, is quite shocking, but not unexpected news.
On the good side, I have made some progress with talking to the right people at the Jena archives and expect at least some news soon. I will post them here and not "adamantly herd" them.
P.S: and I hope I won´t die or retire soon!
Again, here is his answer in unchanged form first before I try to translate:
Sehr geehrter Herr Heukemes,
zuerst sollte ich wohl richtig stellen, dass die erste Zuordnung der Marke Wernstein mit dem Zeichen nicht von mir stammt. Die Liste hat Bowen von mir, ich habe sie in den 70er Jahren von einem ernsthaften Sammler (leider schon verstorben) bekommen. Damals waren das noch keine Allerweltslisten sondern "Kongowissen", das eisern gehütet wurde. Immerhin wäre es denkbar, dass Wernstein erst nach seinem LDO-Beitritt die Marke geführt hat, das würde die Exemplare in den blauen Tüten ggf. erklären. Ich bin seit Januar 2005 im Ruhestand und kann solchen Fragen leider nicht mehr nachgehen, auch müsste man wohl alle Marken überprüfen. Das ist bisher m.W. nicht geschehen. Ihnen wünsche ich viel Erfolg bei dieser Arbeit und verbleibe mit freundlichen Grüßen Jörg Nimmergut
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Dear Mr. Heukemes,
First of all, let me rectify that it was not me who assigned this mark (he means the ÜÜ mark) to Wernstein for the first time. Bowen received the list from me, but I had received it in the seventies from a very dedicated collector, who has passed away in the meantime. Back then, these lists have not been common knowledge, but rather "jungle secrets", which were adamantly herded. I think it could be possible, that Wernstein used that mark only after it joined the LDO, which would account for the badges in the blue packets. I am retired since January 2005 and cannot attend to such questions anymore, I think all marks should be checked. This has to my knowledge not yet happened. I wish you success with that task and remain with regards Jörg Nimmergut.
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Ok, so what do we make of that? Let me point out the most important things:
-the assignment of the ÜÜ mark to Wernstein was made by an unnamed, deceased collector, who gave the list to Nimmergut in the seventies. Not as we assumed by Klietmann or Nimmergut, let alone Bowen. But we knew that this list had modern type writer font, or didn`t we?
-his explanation about the badges in the blue packets does not hold water. The GABs in those packets are mid to late war badges and by no means earlier than the ÜÜ badges, which are also mid to late war. And why should Wernstein suddenly have changed its GAB design, setup, basically everything when it joined the LDO?
-his remark that ALL marks should be checked, which he thinks has not been done yet, is quite shocking, but not unexpected news.
On the good side, I have made some progress with talking to the right people at the Jena archives and expect at least some news soon. I will post them here and not "adamantly herd" them.
P.S: and I hope I won´t die or retire soon!
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