Panzer Attack by Adolf Scholze!

[robert60446]

Different ball hinges were distributed randomly on these PAB badges in my opinion. Also, I’m wondering, was Adolf Scholze using these different styles of hinges on the other types of badges as well (IAB, Flak and etc.)?<o =""></o>

[Indy]

great PABs Don

As Don's ball hinge AS PAB shown, I got another example to prove my idea. However, Philippe's example didn't fit my idea, I would tend to the hinges were placed randomly. Up to now, only one of Philippe's PAB example didn't fit my idea. How about let's post all the AS PABs to exame....or Philippe's PAB is an exception

best regards

Indy

[Philippe DB]

Morning Guys,

Greg are you sure the badge in post 43 features a chromey plated finish. If it does it would be another exception on the grass pattern.

Don here are my A.S. badges, they all have flattened ball hinges.

When it comes to the hollow A.S. and .A.S marked badges I have never seen one with flattened hinge.

As to the maker I'ts my believe that at least two where involved. In total we have 5 different grass patterns on AS marked badges (2 AS in Triangle, 1 A.S. and 2 on the hollow AS's) that's just to many for one maker as far as I'm concerned. Anyway whoever these makers were, it's obvious that they worked together, same design, same hardware, same types of finish.

KR
Philippe

[VonLuger]

Pure conjecture..but what if factories were bombed out, same company but every few bombing raids a new die, hardware source made elsewere and remained the same???...Something we may overlook-when certain designs change- besides material what if factories were destroyed and they rebuilt(new dies)-relocated and started over-common place in a war economy...

[robert60446]

Pure conjecture..but what if factories were bombed out, same company but every few bombing raids a new die, hardware source made elsewere and remained the same???...Something we may overlook-when certain designs change- besides material what if factories were destroyed and they rebuilt(new dies)-relocated and started over-common place in a war economy...

This is very interesting theory. Unfortunately there is no way to prove it… <o =""></o>

[Greg]

Morning Guys,

Greg are you sure the badge in post 43 features a chromey plated finish. If it does it would be another exception on the grass pattern.

KR
Philippe

Hi Philippe,

I no longer have this badge in hand, but it had a shiny "chromey" finish on the front, where it wasn't damaged by zinkpest and worn away.

Best,
Greg

[Philippe DB]

Hi Philippe,

I no longer have this badge in hand, but it had a shiny "chromey" finish on the front, where it wasn't damaged by zinkpest and worn away.

Best,
Greg

Thanks Greg.

Well I think it's safe than to conclude that there is no relation between the grass pattern and the type of finish used, which in fact makes sense because you also see both types of finish used on the A.S. in track marked variants.

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

I also tried to find relations between flattened and non-flattened ball hinges when looking at the numerous "R.K." type GAB variants and could not find a reliable rule to it.

[robert60446]

As to the maker I'ts my believe that at least two where involved. In total we have 5 different grass patterns on AS marked badges (2 AS in Triangle, 1 A.S. and 2 on the hollow AS's) that's just to many for one maker as far as I'm concerned. Anyway whoever these makers were, it's obvious that they worked together, same design, same hardware, same types of finish.

KR
Philippe

Phillipe,

In your opinion, was Adolf Scholze sharing their ball hinge and catch setup with other manufacturers for other badges (flak for example) as well?

[Philippe DB]

Phillipe,

In your opinion, was Adolf Scholze sharing their ball hinge and catch setup with other manufacturers for other badges (flak for example) as well?

Hi Robert,

I don't think Scholze was sharing anything it just happend that all these companies shared the same supplier when it came to badge hardware

KR
Philippe

[robert60446]

Hi Robert,

I don't think Scholze was sharing anything it just happend that all these companies shared the same supplier when it came to badge hardware

KR
Philippe

Philippe,

I can see your point. So in your opinion Adolf Sholze was outsourcing the hinge and catch components production to some other company (supplier)? I was always under the impression that they were manufacturing everything “in the house”. But thanks for sharing your view on it.

[Philippe DB]

Philippe,

I can see your point. So in your opinion Adolf Sholze was outsourcing the hinge and catch components production to some other company (supplier)? I was always under the impression that they were manufacturing everything “in the house”. But thanks for sharing your view on it.

Hi Robert,

I'm sure some of them might have produced everything in house but there is enough evidence arround of the exact same hardware used by different makers. The easiest one to follow arround being the classic zinc "Juncker" "set-up.

Just compare the AS PAB hinge, pin and catch with e.g. The RSS and JFS IAB set-up. As far as I'm concerned these are two more manufactures that very likely did their shopping at the same supplier.

KR
Philippe

[robert60446]

I have one interesting addition to this subject. I was under the impression that Adolf Scholze PAB badges were made in 2 different grass design patterns. However after closer look, I was able to single out the 3^rd design. Please check the attached picture of 3 different grass patterns from A.S. PAB’s for details.

[Philippe DB]

Hi Robert,

Did you read my reaction in post 48 of this thread. In fact there are 5 different grass patterns on AS marked PAB's that's why I'm not convinced that these are all made by A. Scholze.

If I'm not mistaken to ones you are showing from left to right are

L. AS in triangle
M. The other AS in triangle pattern
R. The AS in track

KR
Philippe

[robert60446]

Hi Robert,

Did you read my reaction in post 48 of this thread. In fact there are 5 different grass patterns on AS marked PAB's that's why I'm not convinced that these are all made by A. Scholze.

If I'm not mistaken to ones you are showing from left to right are

L. AS in triangle
M. The other AS in triangle pattern
R. The AS in track

KR
Philippe

Hi Philippe,
i did read your post #48, however i must forget about it and somehow i was having impression about 2 grass designs only in my head. I guess i'm just getting old...if i will continue to talk nonsense, please just shot me.... You are correct with LMR list as well...
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