Panzer Attack by Adolf Scholze!

[robert60446]

Hi Robert,
In fact there are 5 different grass patterns on AS marked PAB's that's why I'm not convinced that these are all made by A. Scholze.
KR
Philippe

I have managed to get 4 of 5 grass design patterns in to the one picture. However I’m 1 short. Can someone please post picture of that 5^th PAB with different grass pattern then these 4 from my post? Thanks in advance.<o =""></o>



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[Philippe DB]

Hi Robert,


If I'm not mistaken you added my silver hollow A"."S"." to the left.

Here is the badge with the fifth AS grass pattern its the "."A"."S variant. What a difference a "dot" can make isn't it

I still find it very difficult to understand why they used two pair of dies for such a scares PAB.

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

reverse .A.S

[Philippe DB]

Sorry Robert,


Disregard the above that was the third from the right in your compare.

This is the one you were still missing

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

Well seems I got it wrong again. In fact the scooped AS features the exact same grass pattern as the hollow .A.S.

After just posting both of them I took a closer look and the differences I think I saw are just the result of the different base material used in the production of these badges.

So not 5 but only 4 grass patterns and the hollow .A.S and A.S. and the scooped A.S. for sure were made by one and the same maker using two different obverse dies.

Thanks for asking the question Robert, learned something new tonight

KR
Philippe

[robert60446]

Well seems I got it wrong again. In fact the scooped AS features the exact same grass pattern as the hollow .A.S.

After just posting both of them I took a closer look and the differences I think I saw are just the result of the different base material used in the production of these badges.

So not 5 but only 4 grass patterns and the hollow .A.S and A.S. and the scooped A.S. for sure were made by one and the same maker using two different obverse dies.

Thanks for asking the question Robert, learned something new tonight

KR
Philippe

Philippe,

I was looking at these badges and I was almost 100% positive that there is something wrong with my eyes, because I couldn’t see any difference here.

@” I still find it very difficult to understand why they used two pair of dies for such a scares PAB.” – The reason could be simple: the die could be damaged during one of the many bombing raids, then you will need to create the second die…I would love to know the time line here it would be a great help…

@" Thanks for asking the question Robert, learned something new tonight" - NO!, Thank YOU Philippe, because i learned something new tonight

[Greg]

@" Thanks for asking the question Robert, learned something new tonight" - NO!, Thank YOU Philippe, because i learned something new tonight

Geez, why don't you guys just kiss each other!? Better yet, go kiss your favorite PAB... what, you don't kiss your PABs? I do! (just kidding )


OK, I will open up the can of worms - how do we KNOW that the AS in triangle logo is the Adolf Scholze company of Grünwald? Yes, like most I have always called this the Scholze company, but there is at least one other possibility. No, I'm not saying that AS in triangle is A.D. Schwerdt, but has anyone seen a period advertisement or something else that shows the logo definitely associated with Scholze?

Or maybe one of our German members ought to just ask them, assuming this is the descendant firm of the 1940s company...
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Tel: 071 712282
Fax: 071 7138719
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73525 Schwäbisch Gmünd

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Greg

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[Don D.]

Who got the silver badge A.S. (hollow) from Carsten Baldes update today?
Don

[robert60446]

Geez, why don't you guys just kiss each other!? Better yet, go kiss your favorite PAB... what, you don't kiss your PABs? I do! (just kidding )

Greg, i can say that i will pass on kissing Philippe (nothing personal Philippe ). As far as kissing PAB's i have made my choice long time ago...

[robert60446]

Who got the silver badge A.S. (hollow) from Carsten Baldes update today?
Don

Not me......220 euro.......

[Greg]

Not me......220 euro.......

Not me either ...

Greg

[robert60446]

Not me either ...

Greg

Then it must be Philippe! <o =""></o>

[Chet Sowersby]

Robert,
Have you showed that picture to the wifey?

Chet

[robert60446]

Robert,
Have you showed that picture to the wifey?

Chet

Hi Chet,

No way! I prefer to stay alive!<o =""></o><o =""></o>

[Philippe DB]

Then it must be Philippe! <O =""></O>

Morning guys,

Well I see you all had great fun while I was asleep

No it wasn't me, gave up a long time ago to follow Baldes's updates but now I could hit myself. What an absolute stunning example for a great price. €220 won't even get you an unmarked trabbi design in good condition from Winkler these days.

He also mentioned that it is a buntmetall example. I have never handled a buntmetall hollow AS. I know Mike has two of these badges and is convinced that they are indeed made out of buntmetall. However from all the badges we know that used this uncommon production technique (IAB's, GAB's APB's) no buntmetall example are known to exist. Really would love to handle one of these badges, the worn highpoints on the Baldes badges for sure look consistant with buntmetall.

KR
Philippe