Opinion for Azul Medal

[Kelenfold]

Hello
For starters, thank you for welcoming me to your forum.
My name is Gaëtan I am 38 years old and I mainly collect decoration ww1 and ww2.

I have this medal in my possession and I would like to have your opinion on its authenticity.
For me everything is good but in doubt I would like to have a professional opinion.
Here is this nice decoration for the volunteers of the Azul division, German Fabrication by Deschler.
Thank you in advance for your future messages.

[Mike TM]

Hello, I think that medal is original with spanish ribbon.

regards
Mike

[Kelenfold]

Good evening Mike
Thank you for your message,
the ribbon is for me typical of the German assembly.
( The pin and the folding of the ribbon )

Gaëtan

[Mike TM]

Hello Gaëtan, not German. Look at the difference. Left German (more orange), right spanish (like yours).

Mike

[Kelenfold]

it’s really interesting, Thanks You !
yes I can see the difference in the ribbon and I didn’t know there were several types of width.
So the medal I have is made by Deschler but with a Spanish ribbon ?
Could you date its manufacture ?
According to my research it will be a model made during the war.
Thank you very much for your information

Gaëtan

[Mike TM]

Yes a Deschler made during the war with spanish ribbon. But no idea about the concrete year.

regards
Mike

[Ian Hulley]

It has a later, non-German ribbon with later brooch set-up and the jump ring from the medal to the suspension ring is unlike either of the authentic examples Mark has posted. The medal doesn't look to be zinc, which it should be.

I only have one grey zinc Deschler-marked example with a German ribbon (kindly donated by Dale).

The subject piece worries me, I hope my feeling is wrong.

Sorry, Ian.

[Kelenfold]

Thank you Mike for all your information.
Good evening Ian and thank you for your message, I have already seen similar montages with the same type of ribbon.
Here is a link from a Forum which presents several models.
That does not mean anything obviously, I am open to any opinion !

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/orders...edal-690772-4/

[Kelenfold]

For me the patina of the medal does not shock me.
knowing that this medal was made at the start in 1944 by Germany, at this period of the end of the war a lot of decoration was in naked Zin ( without tan )
But maybe I'm wrong ..?

Gaëtan

[pedroMM]

This medal looks extremely convincing at first glance, but it has something that disturbs me...
Striking is very sharp compared with originals, which have softer details. Moreover, I don't see the ventholes in the helmet.
In addition, from these pics it appears that the proportion between the iron cross and the leaves is different from some examples I have.
It may be the pic, but I would have serious doubts if I had to purchase this one

[Ian Hulley]

For me the patina of the medal does not shock me.
knowing that this medal was made at the start in 1944 by Germany, at this period of the end of the war a lot of decoration was in naked Zin ( without tan )
But maybe I'm wrong ..?

Gaëtan

It is the fact that it is still so Bronze/Brass in colour that troubles me, most .. if not all .. have lost any trace of a coating. The base metal doesn't look to be the grey 'fein zink' that Deschler used.

Ian

[Kelenfold]

Good morning all !
Once again thank you for helping me out, I am really delighted to be part of your forum.
I spoke to the person who sold me the medal and they will reimburse me without any problem.
From what she tells me This medal would come from a stock find directly at Deschler ...
I've always been told, the medals that come from the attic, don't come from YOUR attic ...
So I'm going to try to find a good one.

Thank you again, thanks to you I avoid having a copy in my possession
I sent photos to a friend.
He told me, "it looks good but be careful lately there are really good copies made."
We may start to have this type of medal on the market.

Cordialy Gaëtan

[Iam Al Bandy]

Hello Gaëtan
A Ian said, I don´t feel good with the jump ring from the medal to the suspension ring. In my collection, I have three medals and I think that them are diferent to your example. Some pictures....

This medal, always was made in zinc, Is it youe piece made in zinc?

Regards
Jose

[Mike TM]

If the medal only was made in zinc (I don't know sure), the piece of this thread is not original, because is not zinc.

regards
Mike

[pedroMM]

I am not an expert by far, but I have been collecting Blue Div items actively for nearly 10 years, and I have owned a few of these medals, most of them coming directly from families.

Said that, this medal is something I wouldn't like to have in my collection. Jump ring appears to be somehow squared when originals I have are more round shaped.
The finish is also weird. Not the kind of wear that it is usually seen in these always-made zinc medals.
I would also add that although the font of the rear inscription is very convincing, I think it is not the correct one.
By the way, which could be the explanation for such a pin device in a Spanish medal? It resembles to the flower war medals pins