Spanish 4 place medal bar

[Yubari]

Thank you for your opinions! Just arrived from Germany. Cross is maker marked 93.

[Yubari]

no experts here?

[Sevrin]

no experts here?

They're still asleep.

I don't know the Spanish set-ups well; but looks nice.

James

Hopefully Jose will chime in on this one.

[Chet Sowersby]

Looks to be a typical Spanish constructed bar to me as well. Like James, I would wait and defer to Jose.

Chet

[Iam Al Bandy]

The Spanish medalbars must analyze them like other medalbars, like the Germans for example. It is important that the different parts (medals) are original, but it is also important and decisive that the whole transmits something, that is, that the set is real, be consistent. The combination of medals of that medal bar is strange, they are not medals that "link a lot".
All medals seem me original, it´s a nice piece, but combination is strange.

[Yubari]

The Spanish medalbars must analyze them like other medalbars, like the Germans for example. It is important that the different parts (medals) are original, but it is also important and decisive that the whole transmits something, that is, that the set is real, be consistent. The combination of medals of that medal bar is strange, they are not medals that "link a lot".
All medals seem me original, it´s a nice piece, but combination is strange.

How come strange combination? I have seen even longer even with some extra medals on top and they came even with papers.


Thank you for explanation! I would like to learn. I purchased few weeks ago from a small dealer that offers stuff from families but this is not bulletproof of course!

[Yubari]

Chose?

[pedroMM]

For me it looks a very plausible combination.

You never know with these bars when there is no info about the owner, as they could have been mounted at anytime, so the only thing you can do is looking for coherence in the construction, wear and type of awards used.

In this bar I see a consistent wear in all the ribbons, which is usually the first thing to check.
Moreover, all of them appear to have been sewn with the same thread.

Regarding the combination, I dont see anything weird. The order is not as correct as we could expect, but that is something extremely common when talking about WW2 and later Spanish medal bars. In fact, I think I have seen more medal bars that were made against the order precedence regulations than bars which fullfilled them.

We could also expect other Blue Div related awards like the german conmemorative medal, but that would not bother me as the construction of these bars were more or less a matter of choice. I have medal bars in which the veteran displayed all his German medals together, others in which the medals are selected by their importance or award date.. It is something more or less random.
Apart from that, the Spanish awards are all of them WW2 period compatible and the Ek2 is original..

So even though we can not be 100% sure, I would not have any problem with this bar in my collection (And I only collect Blue Div items)

[Yubari]

Thank you for such indepth answer Pedro.
It seems you use same logic when examinating spanish medal bars as I use to check german one. As you also stated, with medal bars you can never be sure (as with women.. ) but following what I see, it might have bit of a chance of course. Ageing of ribbons, folding, original medals and combo does not look fantasy at all. Of course I am missing Blau Division medal and for me its somehow strange it is not there though I like it in general!

However, I am not an expert on spanish medal bars but what I remember from period ww2 pictures, there was always inconsistency with medal order or even mounting. They were simply not that detail oriented as Germans were (and still even Germans had sometimes issues or discrepancies there).

Also worthy to say this medal bar comes from trusted militaria dealer who claims it was bought from the vet's family. (I never trust these stories anyway).
What is more important for me is the fact, that I have never seen anything wrong in his regular offers. He does not go after quantity as some others do so I really like to deal with him.

So all in all I can say I can sleep well with this example!