Bavarian 5 place medal bar

[Yubari]

I like it!

[tompress]

Hi,

this mountig manner looks Austrian.

regards
Tomasz

[Yubari]

Ahh I ment Austrian.... thank you for correcting!!!

What do you think about the medal bar itself, please

[Gardereiter]

Austrian collectors become very irritated when people call bars like yours "Austrian". Your bar is considered to be a post-war assembled fantasie product and here is why:

The clasp used for your bar was created exclusively (as standard equipment) for the Austrian Bundesheer of the Second Republik and used from 1955 onward. The Bundesheer eliminated the use of traditional suspension loops sewn onto the tunics to hang medals. The type of metall clasp used on your bar did not exist before 1955!

The Hungarian People's Army created a similar but very cheaply made clasp when the Hungarians eliminated their sewn-on suspension loops after the war.

The guy who created this bar did not overlap the ribbons in the korrect manner. Austrian ribbons are overlapped right over left, not left over right.

Austrians serving in the Wehrmacht after 1938 wore medal bars created in the traditional German style. Trefold ribbons for these awards during the war years were created for Hungarian, Croatian, and Bulgarian soldiers... not for Austrian-Germans.

Examples of pre-assembled, pre-1938, improvised Austrian trefold ribbons (I supposed you could call them medal bars in the broadest sense) do exist ! You can see them assembled in strange, oftentimes home-made ways. Sometimes they utilized MODIFIED German medal-bar or ribbon-bar hardware. If they are authentic and attributable, they are very desirable and collectible.

Your two Anschluss ribbons look like pre-1945 pieces. The other three look like post 1945 ribbons.

But whatever you do... don't ever try to tell an experienced Austrian collector that this is an Austrian bar, unless it has Bundesheer approved awards on it, otherwise you will get a long lecture.




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[Yubari]

thank you for your educative reply! I see ribbons are folded really vice versa now!

I was so much hoping it has a chance!

[Chet Sowersby]

triad08,
You've supplied some very good information. I've learned something.

Chet

[Antonio Scapini]

Yes, Triad08 perfectly explained about the "Austrian" bars, and furthermore the flower war medals are fakes.

[tompress]

/.../ Austrian ribbons are overlapped right over left, not left over right. /.../

Yeah, my first impression was, that something is wrong here. Now I know, what

[Ian Hulley]

Obviously fake 13th March & 1st October medals … also what scenario allowed the wearing of the KVKII both with and without swords ?

Ian

[Sevrin]

...also what scenario allowed the wearing of the KVKII both with and without swords ?

Ian

+1

Didn't the awarding of the swords supplant the other?

James

[Gardereiter]

... also what scenario allowed the wearing of the KVKII both with and without swords ?

Ian

See above

[Yubari]

I see my comment is not here due to crash of site.

You could have IMO two KVK on one medal bar - even on ribbon bar you can find both. I believe only KVK medal would be replaced by KVK2 with or without sword!

[Ian Hulley]

+1

Didn't the awarding of the swords supplant the other?

James

I won't tread on our Austrian friends toes with their specific knowledge but I'll tell you this for free … The only 3 ribbon bars I have seen with more than a single KVKII have been fake, all German style, standard size but all bad.

Ian

[Gardereiter]

I won't tread on our Austrian friends toes with their specific knowledge but I'll tell you this for free … The only 3 ribbon bars I have seen with more than a single KVKII have been fake, all German style, standard size but all bad.

Ian

I am in full agreement here.




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[Gary B]

An example of a KVK and a KVM on a medal bar.

Gary B