SS 4 and 8 y opinions?

[schönbeck]

The 8 years.
No drop shaped ring. Small ring is round and not ^ shaped.
Details are overall good and i can't see any casting traces.

The 4 years.
Correct drop shaped ring. Small ring ^ shaoed.
DEscent details.

Both have the same diameter and thickness.

Two fakes or?

[J C Gray]

The 4 year is an original Type I.
I'm not 100% on the 8 year, but the stippling reminds me of certain fakes.
Whether either of these is real or fake, in my opinion they are both pretty worthless in that condition.