Memel medal ¿ original?

[manu1972]

Hello boys, I have found this medal to a good price. In any case is it original? And of that manufacturer can be. Thank you verysu much.


I Believe a SL

[Gardereiter]

A very nice medal with a nicely darkened finish. Congratulations on your nice find...





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[manu1972]

Thank you sir

[Ian Hulley]

Very nice find

Ian

[Antonio Scapini]

This medal is not a good one, it is the so called "B-Memel".
Possibly a post war S&L production.

Manu, I already told several times, pictures must be uploaded using our internal server. From now on if you don't upload pictures you threads will be deleted, read the rules here: http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=930561

[bytown]

Agree with Antonio.

Wayne

[Gardereiter]

This medal is not a good one, it is the so called "B-Memel". Possibly a post war S&L production.

Please clarify what you mean by "not a good one." Manu's piece is definitely a die-stamped example.

If SuL used original pre-1945 stamping-dies to produce these post-war pieces, how are collectors supposed to tell the difference?

My onkel mail-ordered his replacement medal bar in the early 1950s because my grandparent's place got destroyed in Dresden and all his military stuff was destroyed along with the house. The medals on his bar still had the HK on them (before the 1957 laws.) So where did all these medals come from?

[Antonio Scapini]

Ther's a BIG difference, and you can see it on the obverse side. There's a big "B" between the two men.
There are wartime traces of these "B"-Memels, so you can't say it is a wartime piece if there are no wartime traces of it.
It is related with the post-war S&L production, and until further evidences, it was, it is and it will be a post-war piece.

There's an niteresting chapter on the Memel Medal book I think about this medal (the book is also available in german language).

[Tom Yanacek]

I agree with Antonio. Postwar copy of the type attributed to Steinhauer & Lück. Look closely in the area circled below. Seeing the 'B' impression here is never a good sign. The ribbon does look to be original surplus stock though.

Best regards,
Tom

[jack1]

Gentlemen i can not see the B.

[Tom Yanacek]

Gentlemen i can not see the B.

Hi Jack,

The impression is not easily discernible but it does appear to be present. Even in this enlargement it is difficult to see and unfortunately some of the resolution is lost.

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

Here is another example of the 'B Memel fake" and hopefully it is more easily seen here. The impression is actually a mirror image of the capital letter 'B' and missing part of the lower loop.

Best regards,
Tom

[jack1]

I see it now with those pictures.
There will be lots of collectors grateful for this,thank you.
Is his B on all fake flower war medals?

[Antonio Scapini]

Actually tha fake posted by Tom is a fake o the B-Memel...

I post a clearer image, you can see there's not only a "B" but also other letters and numbers (of the October 1938 Flowers Medal).
And yes, there are also the other flowers war medals with this type of "flaw".

[jack1]

Very interesting antonio