Parade Mounted WWI & WWII German Long Service Medal ?? What have I got here

[Sevrin]

Yes, that´s correct, just WWI service required.

Thanks Lambert

Nice set Ian!




James

[Ian Hulley]

Beautiful set of commemorative medals Ian

Not sure if it makes sens or if I'm out in left field again...On the original bar I appreciate that both the Bulgarian and the Hungarian medals have the swords integrated in the basic medal design so there is no need for a separate swords device on the ribbon (but swords are
used on ribbon bars for these medals when applicable just like for the Hindenburg cross) however if this individual was entitled to the Hindenburg Cross with swords would'nt he also be entitled to the swords device for the commemorative Austrian medal as well ?

Thanks

JC

A ribbon bar ...



and the Tyrol 'defence' award



Interesting the use of the different coloured swords on these bars ...

Ian

[Gardereiter]

Not sure if it makes sense or if I'm out in left field again...On the original bar I appreciate that both the Bulgarian and the Hungarian medals have the swords integrated in the basic medal design so there is no need for a separate swords device on the ribbon (but swords are used on ribbon bars for these medals when applicable just like for the Hindenburg cross)

The Hungarian Commemorative Medal for WW1 was issued in two (2) versions:

1.) Combattant: With Swords on the front and Stahlhelm on the back of the Medal mounted on a COMBAT RIBBON

2.) Non-Combatant: NO Swords and NO Stahlhelm on the medal mounted on a NON-COMBAT RIBBON (totally different from the combat ribbon).

ON A RIBBON BAR: the mounting of silver crossed-sword devices on the Hungarian Commemorative Medal RIBBON for COMBATANTS on a ribbon bar is, therefore, redundant! They did it anyway, however, just for aesthetic effect.

[Jean-Claude]

Thanks for the clarifications Triad & Ian

Moot issue on an old thread but my concern was with the Austrian commemorative medal on the original bar posted by Brent. I have one like the one Ian posted (in post 14) but with swords affixed to the ribbon. I tought that since the Brent's bar had the Hindenburg cross with swords for combattants, the Austrian commemorative medal should also have the swords device unless they were just slapped on for show on mine...

JC

[Lambert]

The austrian medal was instituted in December 1932 and the addition of swords for combatants was only authorized in November 1933. So maybe your guy got the old version!?!

[JasonA]

A very methodical and informative review of the soldier's career!



J-

Hi Brent,

Looks like a nice, original medal bar. The guy was a combat veteran of WW1 and one that left the military at the end of WW1 or shortly thereafter. He was not in the military during the Weimar Period. In the early 30s he applied for and received the WW1 Commemoratives for Austria, Hungary, and Bulgaria (the last three medals on the bar). In 1934 or 1935 he applied for and received his Hindenburg Cross with Swords in commemoration of his service to Germany in the First World War. He then re-enters the military under the Third Reich, either for patriotic reasons or because he is called up because of prior military experience. But he finds himself back in the military on active duty. He most likely rated the Wehrmacht 4-Year Long Service Medal as soon as he rejoined the military since he would be given retro-active credit for his time served during WW1. My guess is that he rejoined the military sometime between 1936 and 1939 and that is exactly when this medal bar would have been assembled/upgraded.

There should be a silver eagle device attached to the blue ribbon of the Wehrmacht Long Service Medal but that is now missing.

Best regards,
Tom